Looks like the TDI won't be available at launch. I'd like that to change.
We already have a Q5 TDI on order for when they arrive next year to replace the current A4. Would like to get the new A4 TDI before then.
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09-12-2007, 06:26 AM
but not necessary for the A4.
09-12-2007, 07:30 AM
09-12-2007, 08:09 AM
have you ever ridden in an A4 TDI driven by Walter Rohrl on an ice track? I have, and it's what sold me on the performance of TDI. What a ride! :)
I guess what I'm saying is, try it, you might like it.
09-12-2007, 08:26 AM
I am keeping my allroad until I can get the new A4 3.0TDi avant S-line quattro. Hopefully they will have the diesel engine independent of any of the other options, meaning we could order it with S-line or sport suspension / seats and other goodies. I hope they don't restrict the option list assuming diesel owners don't want to go fast and handle well.
I would be happy if we could get it the way we want as a sold-order. They do that with the A8. I think most of us would order ahead and wait if we can get ours the way we want. I may even do the European delivery when I get around to it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't bring it over with a manual trans, though.
09-12-2007, 01:25 PM
Seriously, I'm thinking you'd want less torque on ice wouldn't you? Aside from winning Le Mans with the diesel's better gas mileage and just to say they could, you know Audi would still be cleaning up with a V8 or V10 gas motor in ALMS, instead of losing to P2 Porsche's.
I know it's a modern diesel and all that, but there must still be some maintenance/upkeep issues associated with it down the road. And modern or not, I bet the bugger still growls and taps, though I'm sure much less then a Cummins.
If you're not pulling stuff and need the torque, or trying to save a few bucks in gas with your 3 ton SUV, why have a noisy, low reving (and in a few years), smelly, smoking little sports sedan? I don't get it. The 2.0T is more than enough.
09-12-2007, 01:40 PM
Diesel engines has changed significantly.
Cripes, people complain enough that the 2.0T sounds like a diesel at idle....
09-12-2007, 02:17 PM
when on public roads, torque is very important...It's not just about fuel consumption...
Audi S5 TC
09-12-2007, 02:19 PM
Or, better yet, an S4 or S5 4.0 TDI or 4.2 TDI.
Or, best yet, an RS 4 or RS 5 4.2 TTDI or 4.5 TTDI. TTDI would be twin turbocharged diesel injection, FWIW.
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09-12-2007, 05:45 PM
at the Audi Winter Driving School in Austria, my views of TDI were changed forever.
So, how long have you know Walter? He's a real nice person as you know having met him.
We (Audi Car Club) were lucky enough that Walter came to Austria, from his test driving duties at Porsche, to give us a day of rides and driving lessons. It's a trip that I recommend for all Audi enthusiast.
Audi S5 TC
09-12-2007, 07:35 PM
So did PDXA4TM pdxa4TM.
Audi S5 TC
09-12-2007, 07:39 PM
including the S and RS models and R sports cars.
09-12-2007, 08:31 PM
<center><img src="http://www.audiclubna.org/images/stories/qq/acna-quattronight-019.jpg"></center><p>I am not as lucky as you to have met Walter Rohrl and especially you having the fortune to be in a car with him driving. I have great respect for Herr Rohrl's driving talent and consider him one of my all time favorite drivers along with Hans Stuck (Jr), Michael Schumacher and Derek Bell. I was lucky enough to speak with Derek Bell (Champion Audi S4) a few years back at the DC Grand Prix. He was a very pleasant and gracious person to all the fans.
I fell in love with rally car racing and the Audi Quattro during the Group B years. My need to be an Audi owner was solidified while watching/following the dominant Rohrl and Stuck during the IMSA and Trans-Am years with the 200 and 90 sedans.
Thanks for the information on the driving school.
09-12-2007, 08:40 PM
from a chipped A4 2.0T. I like a few "sweet" revs and am not interested in growling clackety-clack from any B8. I just heard the 2.0 TDI in an A6 and guess what? Clackety-clack, though not quite as bad as a delivery van.
09-12-2007, 08:56 PM
ok, so Audi does a good job with interior sound insulation but outside I'm sure that thing's a truck. I'd have to test drive to be convinced it's better than the smoother higher reving turbo petrol.<ul><li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pbu7AGOGB8">3.0 TDI</a></li></ul>
09-12-2007, 09:20 PM
Explain to a guy who has a smooth reving 2.0t with plenty of torque, and gets near 30 mpg, why the diesel would be better in his little A4? Why won't you need more maintenance on your diesel as the years go on?
I've been driving a Q7 3.6 for 2 weeks now and I can say for sure, that 4500lb beast needs at least the 3.0 TDI, but a little sporty Avant?<ul><li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBkiwvQ7v8">2.0 TDI sounds</a></li></ul>
09-12-2007, 10:23 PM
There is a reason why diesel is so popular in Europe...One market to really note the change is the UK one, traditionally it used to be a petrol only country but now diesel outsells petrol...
09-13-2007, 05:31 AM
I understand the improved torque factor and fuel mileage but the low revving nature of these diesel motors, and I've driven diesel cars mind you, just doesn't feel "sporty" enough for me. The vibrations, noise and smoke may be eliminated with technology, but has the "lazy" feel?
09-13-2007, 12:22 PM
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My 2001 A4 Avant has been paid off for a while, saving and waiting for the 3.0TDI
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I hope mine did too. ;)
Actually, I bought my first new Audi in 1984. It was a 4000S Quattro. The first affordable Quattro in America. Right after I bought it, I fond out that the company (Rexroth) I work for gets professional discounts. At that time the D-mark was somewhere over 3-to-1 dollars. I could've bought a US UrQ in Germany for about the same money as I paid for the 4000S Quattro I bought here. Oh well, live and learn.
I have to agree with you again with your statement about Derek Bell. Real nice, friendly guy. Got to meet him at the ALMS race in 2001, at Monterey along with Michael Gelatti, who was a real clown.
If you ever decide to go to Audi Winter Driving School, make sure to go with the ACNA and pray that Walter's schedule will allow him to come over to Austria to give rides. I know he doesn't get to come every year because of schedule conflicts. Start saving your pennys now. :)
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09-14-2007, 06:34 AM
now who here has compared the 2.0T gas motor vs. the diesel. Sorry, "I love diesels" isn't very convincing.
I also know that when I chip (flash) my 2.0T, I'll be running a nice smooth 270+ brake hp with 290+ lb.ft. torque. I'm not worried so much about fuel mileage as we're paying $2.85/gal (2.06 EUR, 1.42 GBP) for 93 octane.
OK, I'm done beating this dead horse. Ciao
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09-14-2007, 11:20 AM
I really like my current '07 3.2 13k "matured" sound - its gotten better in the last 5k miles. I might miss that with a diesel. Thoughts from those of you with diesel experience?
09-14-2007, 12:11 PM
might make the growl and the clackety-clack worth it :-D
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09-14-2007, 02:51 PM
You can make easy gains by putting in bigger injector nozzles, which the dealer can only detect by physical inspection. Mileage suffers and there is a chance of more black smoke.
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09-19-2007, 07:40 AM
than the 2.0T.
09-19-2007, 10:01 AM
<center><img src="http://www.truckracing.de/inhalt/saison2007/1/photos/rt/1/b6.jpg"></center><p>Oh yes, they should make it the official pace car for the European truck races :-D
09-20-2007, 11:54 AM
I'd like to see what they could do with a large diesel engine, like the 4.2 TDI that is availabe for the A8 http://www.topgear.com/drives/A2/B3/roadtests/17/01.html.
Driving my fathers diesel version of the GTI in the UK, I was impressed with the torque and driving experience, while also getting almost 60mpg on a mix of freeway and main roads. It definetly had some punch. Double the engine size and it would be even more fun.
Would we ever see a diesel version of the s4 wit something like the 4.2 TDI?