I'm normally not one to whine, but if you're going to tag the hell out of an image of mine, at least give some credit.
02-25-2007, 03:54 PM
02-25-2007, 05:08 PM
02-25-2007, 05:57 PM
02-25-2007, 06:04 PM
So if I went through Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet and changed their names to Bob and Carol I should get some recognition?
02-25-2007, 06:14 PM
If I were in his position, I know I'd certainly slip in a "here's an image based on x's color photoshops" or whatever, even though the particular image he used was trivial for me to make. It just seems courteous. Why shouldn't I expect the same?
I'm not demanding he take it down or modify the image or anything - I was just saying. If I did feel that way about it, I would've watermarked/tagged them all up. I don't know why I need a tough-guy "it's not the law to mention you" attitude from you.
02-25-2007, 06:16 PM
02-25-2007, 06:22 PM
I personally am having trouble seeing the resemblance, other than them both being coupes...
The entire Audi line will eventually have that upsweep under the door, including the B8 A4.
On some self promos I have spent weeks on a single photograph. Yes, the photos you took in Pshop and changed were yours to use without a copyright restriction but did you credit the person who came up with the concept, the crew involved, the photographer? You grab some stuff off the web, change some colors and want others to know you did that?
02-25-2007, 07:07 PM
02-25-2007, 07:09 PM
02-26-2007, 12:25 AM
G.M. just bought audi!
02-26-2007, 02:48 AM
02-26-2007, 06:50 AM
I work with PS for last 15 years and color change like that take about 30 sec. I can't believe that you are "crying" about credit for that while it is based completely on Audi's studio copyrighted picture. I don't see that you placed any credits for that (?) Going further with your "logic" you should give also some credit to Photoshop team for Overlay and Hue filters because you couldn't do it without those tools.
This is really lame...but if this hurt yo so much I used my own overlay....not a biggie (I like it darker anyway).
Credit is implied from the image itself <i>"European model shown."</i> IMO, most enthusiasts who frequent the audiusa.com website would recognize the origin of the images. Concerning credit, just an academic point, but all sides should properly reference their materials...a little respect avoids any conflict over any perceived plagiarism.
All I said was "hey, it would've been nice to mention that you were building on my work I just did for you guys." I suppose I might not've cared if you didn't lace up the image with your tags. But anyway, yeah I realize it's Audi's work, and I didn't say so because I figured it was quite obviousuly implied (who else has studio-looking shots of the A5/S5)?
Again, it was just a suggestion. You guys can quit pegging me down as some copyright freak. I registered to post those pictures for you guys and I just felt a little "ripped off" (please no life stories about how it doesn't matter because you got "ripped off" so much more at whatever else, or it's "the usual" so I should get over it) when it looked like you took it and claimed it as your work.
*I* would've said "here's an image based on x's color photoshops," but evidently I'm in a seemingly tiny minority.
Anyway, I hope you guys liked the photoshops. The masking is what took me the most time. Obviously color balancing it out and, in the case of that black, dropping the brightness by 75, didn't.
02-26-2007, 07:17 AM
02-26-2007, 07:27 AM
on top, thnaks for the f@#$!ing photoshops!!
02-26-2007, 07:28 AM
It doesn't include any information about the author. I thought it is obvious :D
02-26-2007, 07:36 AM
if you trully champion credit that is :D
All you have to do is show some respect...is that beyond you? As a physician-scientist in academia, forgive me if my ethical standards tell me otherwise (perhaps in your commercial world, credit is a loosely based concept).
Again, if you frequent audiusa.com and download any of their images, ALL of them have "European model shown". The authors of audiusa's images are often not shown.
02-26-2007, 08:00 AM
If you want to be that picky I posted original picture few days ago:
<a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/a5/msgs/877.phtml">My few days old post with original picture straight from Audi Media library</a>
and he used that picture, cleaned the logos and posted his color variations claiming some right to credit? And if you defend him so much ...why the Audi logo and model is gone? Audi logo stands more as a credit than "European model shown" description.
Cersud's color overlays
02-26-2007, 08:06 AM
Original Picture straight from Audi media gallery posted by me few days ago
02-26-2007, 08:10 AM
02-26-2007, 08:30 AM
You should ask him why he took the logos off...I can only speculate that he/she wanted more emphasis on the color change (to draw your attention to it) as an "artist." As someone clicking on his/her post, It's still clear to me that it's an Audi (iconic enough) and the "European model shown" continues to clue me into the origin (then again, my familiarity with audiusa's website prepares me for this).
A note about credit - When something is quite commonplace/iconic, you don't have to always reference your materials. Case in point is the majority of the world's art and music. For a recent, pop-culture example (Scorcese's <i>"The Departed"</i>), the funeral procession for Costigan (DiCaprio's character) has bagpipers playing Dvorák's New World Symphony. I immediately recognize that it's Dvorák's work and that the bagpipers made a version of it (hence it does not need to be referenced). If someone were to take that bagpiper version and change the color of the bagpipes (your rims) and not reference your or other's work, I would assume you alone changed it. That's a no-no.
In Cerfsud's case, he/she did put the time into changing the color for our benefit. If you say it's quite easy to add color, then you should've taken the image and promptly changed it yourself. The issue of credit would've been moot :) I'm quick to defend the concept of credit and like to give credit where it's due. It's a simple sign of respect.
Now, if I were picky, I would've called you a n00b with your low post count and UID (and I will speculate this would partially explain your apparent disregard for a certain culture of respect amongst AW'ers). What I will write is you should strongly consider giving credit to Cerfsud or any other AW'er in order to receive a little respect yerself :)
<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/37/I_Pity_the_Fool_title.png/222px-I_Pity_the_Fool_title.png"> <b>Who Doesn't Show Respect</b>
From Mr. T's reality show:)
02-26-2007, 09:37 AM
man, this place is getting crazy.
02-26-2007, 09:39 AM
You wrote:<b> <i>" As someone clicking on his/her post, It's still clear to me that it's an Audi (iconic enough) and the "European model shown" continues to clue me into the origin (then again, my familiarity with audiusa's website prepares me for this)."</i></b>
well I'm not sure if you have any knowledge about marketing but Audi is placing their logos for obvious reasons. It is their branding and product recognition. Maybe you are so smart and recognize few days old product right away especially when picture is modified and all logo markings are removed ...but Audi marketing team as any other out there, assumed that not everyone know their products so well especially that we are speaking on completely redesigned and few days old project. So excuse me but I don't have a clue why you call their newly released model <i>"iconic enough"</i>
In wider aspect "European model shown" sentence means nothing without brand of the car. It could be Opel, it could be Seat it could be anything...
You wrote: <b><i>"...I can only speculate that he/she wanted more emphasis on the color change (to draw your attention to it) as an "artist." </i></b>
...if so ...why he didn't remove "European model shown" if focus was an issue???? I know you desperately looking for some explanations but come'on, it is what it is.
..and since you so speculative about my n00bines...you are obviously not long enough here to know me..but I'm a member of AW for almost 4 years.
Let's all take a deep breath. Review the previous posts. If you're curious as to why he/she did what they did to the photo (and more curiously why you perpetuated it), ask Cerfsud. I suggested it in my last post.
All of the previous posts have only been in defense of mutual respect for one's work...perhaps even greater a code of conduct for us AW'ers. A <b>simple</b> nod to Cerfsud would've sufficed. You can either take this as another example of lodging insults towards one another, or as I would prefer, a discussion on academic discourse. Your photoshop with the new wheels is a great addition to the library of images (just as Cerfsud's or any other person's images). If I crossposted it onto another board, I would most certainly pay you the respect with a reference (i.e., courtesy of proxus). If you still find this post offensive, then let's agree to disagree. You are, after all, an Audi enthusiast. Most things are forgiven right off the bat :)
The image is of Guiness beer (courtesy of Alexske).
<b>*edit*</b> it appears Cerfsud has answered your question about "editing" the logos<ul><li><a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/a5/msgs/1118.phtml">Kleek</a></li></ul>
But thanks for continuing to act like a child and vehemently refuse to accept that maybe it would've been nice to mention it was based on my work, trying to find whatever reason you can to incriminate me.
And that's after I tried to end things on a good note.
02-26-2007, 10:28 AM
Like I said above, I took the images straight from audiusa.com. *They* must've removed the S5 logo from it.
Why would I remove S5 and then keep "European model shown?"
>...if so ...why he didn't remove "European model shown" if focus was an issue???? I know you desperately looking for some explanations but come'on, it is what it is.
Because I didn't remove the "S5" either.
02-26-2007, 10:41 AM
02-26-2007, 10:54 AM
...and speaking about reviewing your posts...yes I see that you tried to call me fool (sorry but I don't feel like one), you also tried to "wash my face" with ethical standards of Physician-Scientists from academia....doesn't work on me either :D
<b><i>"As a physician-scientist in academia, forgive me if my ethical standards tell me otherwise (perhaps in your commercial world, credit is a loosely based concept).
Don't feel offended but I find it really amusing that some people will use their title as a guarantor of higher standards. (Our President suppose to be bright and eloquent as well)
And speaking about commercial world mentioned by you....open your window and look around, commercial world it is the only real world out there.
...forgive me but I will leave this topic. It is just pointless for both of us to respond and waste more time. As you wrote.. <i>"let's agree to disagree</i> ;)
^Picture courtesy of some guy who posted this on Google.
02-26-2007, 11:02 AM
serves to protect your ego. I'm not insulted, but you appear to be misinformed. You're right, an MD-PhD degree is not a guarantee of high ethical standards, but to survive in academic medicine, you do have to abide by them. If only you could acquire some humility as quickly as you wield insults :)
pic courtesy of proxus...hopefully learning amicable conduct
02-26-2007, 11:19 AM
Just to remind you, your own post......<b><i>I was getting a bit tired of the rather monotone shots of the A5/S5 so far, so I thought I'd do some quick photoshops to add some color.
I tried to emulate phantom black, sprint blue, papaya orange, and misano red. The colors may appear a bit brighter than they should be (especially if you're on a mac) because of gamma/color profile issues I didn't really care to fix.
believe me, I'm not trying to incriminate you....you did it already (if you want to put it that way). Quote above state that some work was done while pretty much nothing was changed...
This is picture linked to your domain
...and this is original picture linked to audi media library
do you see any difference? ...well sorry, my mistake "sharkfin antenna was removed courtesy of cerfsud".
...and you posted this as one of your color variations complaining about me not credit you? I just simply not understand.
Don't get me wrong ....I'm not crusading after you about doing what you did, but my response to your post about credits couldn't be different. As you can check my other posts I'm always trying to credit my sources. Many people use my images (which I really built from scratch) and never come to my mind to ask them for credits...I just don't have time for BS like that (unless it is commercial use then it is different story).
You wrote that I'm continuing to act like a child??? No my friend...I didn't start this as well as I'm not planning to continue ;)