what's the chances that pricing is going to vary from msrp or dealer invoice? marked up x amount? thoughts on any possibility for price variations? What about 1 or 2 years later?

just wondering what everyone's thoughts are as to if the car's going to have a premium?

a discount. The tool and training investment alone will warrant that these cars are sold for MSRP. Most dealers unless they sell at least three will never recover the cost of special tools for this car. All of that is still up in the air.

discounts on the R8.

(notice Tim's post assumes the same thing.)

If that's what you're saying, thats why you get the OMG for being the first to ask that question.

RB

msrp, which in a lot of places it will.

No worries.

I hope to buy 20 of them at Invoice. (well, the dealership where i work hopes too.)

We wont be selling over msrp though, but we may have to try out that new $10000 doc fee! Just kidding.

RB

it will go above MSRP in many places. If you have a good relationship with your dealer, you may get one at MSRP.

Since Porsche makes about 29,000 911's per year and Audi will only make 4,000 R8's, I don't think anyone will see a discount on this car.

So, I bet those who will get one will pay MSRP or more.

BIGGGGG trouble if caught..

At least, in terms of knowing how this "game" works. It's against most marques rules.

However, most dealers (for instance, ANY BENTLEY DEALER) have a list of good customers they know who they can pay a small amount to buy a car and then sell it back to the dealer 200 miles later.

Where do you think all the 400 mile cars come from? People changing their minds? Friend of mine bought the first eight Continental GT's from a certain two dealers, kept one and sold the other seven back within the week so they could be sold at above sticker. He was paid a cut of the markup.

There's no limit on what they can sell a "used" car for.

That's how they do it... go look at how many people "decided they didn't like" the Vanquish after a few hundred miles. Funny thing is those people probably had a good excuse after the fact when it started being clear the Vanquish has so many transmission problems... but, seriously, this has been going on for ten years and will continue to go on. And the "straw man" buyers for high-end cars make enough money that it's worthwhile.

and we're needing feedback on it"

Customer-"I dont like it, dont like it at all"

Me-"Alright, thats one 'no', one 'against the new 10k doc fee'"

Me-"Okay, if you'll just sign here, here, and here"


8^D

RB

it is technically not allowed from Audi to sell above M.S.R.P.
If you get caught, you get one month allocation removed...that will hurt you big time.

to tell its dealer base what to do with a car after its been wholesaled. Sorry, you dont have a clue.

In Germany people get on the waiting list for high end cars (SL, 6-series M model, etc.) and purchase the car only to then turn around and sell it for a huge profit to someone who isn't on the list and would otherwise have to wait 2-3 years to get a car (yes, peoaple DO wait that long to get the car they want in Germany).

I've seen the same happen in the US with the RS6 and RS4 on Ebay, people selling their spot on the wait list at the dealer for a few thousand dollars ...

... there are penalties built into some dealers' franchise agreements that ARE enforceable for not following pricing guidelines -- on both sales and service in Porsche's case.

But the fact is the manufacturers have other leverage and rarely are these guidelines enforced, if ever.

sticker.

I think the common line is "You're having trouble selling what you have, so we're going to slow down your allotment a bit."

That's effectively price fixing just as much as restricting over sticker pricing.

Mike S