View Full Version : Rant about Salt Lake City...been here 2 years now.


DaveInSaltLake
12-07-2006, 01:26 PM
(there IS an Audi twist buried in this rant near the bottom.)

A few recent experiences have driven home just how unique things are here in Salt Lake City.

It's more of an attitude that I attribute to a city often described as being 20 years behind the rest of the country in sophistication, cost of living, wages, attitues, and many other qualities....not unlike many small towns around the country. But Salt Lake IS different...we've hosted the Olympics!, we're an international snow skiing destination, an internation religious tourism destination, headquarters of numerous national companies and large manufacturers.

I think this mix of small town mentality, sophisticated expectations of visitors, the influence of ultra conservative values on the local politics, and probably a few other things that don't come to mind right now make for some interesting experiences. I strive to appreciate them for what they are.

One of the first things I noticed here was what I call the "front door ritual" at the bars (errr... "private clubs for members"). The nicer clubs in most cities work to make entering their establishments a rewarding and fun experience. Architects and designers are paid lots of money to make sure it's the right temperature and color, to make sure it smells good, to make sure foot traffic flows well, and to generally make a good first impression. While that may hold true for some businesses here in SLC, the clubs seem to have their hands tied in this regard. Take, for example, trying to get into The Bayou on a normal night. If you're early enough, you can line up at the door with a dozen other folks waiting to get into the beautiful, spacious club. The smells of the food do entice one appropriately, but the back up at the door often ruins the experience for me. More often than not, the line of the dozen people extends out the door into the frigid winter evening air while the overwhelmed 'hostess' checks membership cards, supervises the filling out of the appropriate forms, collects temporary membership fees, and waits to seat a customer...all of which takes about 5 to 10 minutes per couple. So if there are 3 or 4 groups ahead of you it can take 20 or 30 minutes to actually get into the club, despite the fact there are plenty of open tables or spots at the bar. The same "front door ritual" is repeated at nearly every club I've been to. Some have made accomodations to queue up folks inside (Circle Lounge, Sky Bar), some have multiple positions/hostesses to work patrons through the ritual (Oyster Bar), and some don't give a rat's ass if you come, stay, or ever come back.

Traffic: I'm preaching to the choir here when I refer to "Utah drivers". Enough said! But what about the insane traffic engineers here? Whoever passed off those turn arrows over the through lanes on 700 East (and subsequently Van Winkle) should be hung up by their thumbs. I waiting for the State to be sued when the right person comes along and makes a stink of it after an accident. Those lights absolutely do NOT meet the Federal Highway Standards for uniform traffic control devices that the State of Utah has adopted. Until that happens, I'm quite content to watch the tourists and visiting skiers do traffic acrobatics around the f'd up traffic signals.

A recent experience at my favorite Sushi restaurant made me ponder life in SLC for awhile. Granted, I haven't been there nearly as often my 2nd year in town as I was my 1st year, so the new hostess really didn't have any cause to recognize me. So when I ask for a spot for 2 at the Sushi Bar the hostess asked me "Are you going to order Sushi?". I was stunned...and almost whipped out the big city attitude. Ultimately I held it together, smiled, and said "yes". All through dinner (and part of the night) the straneness of that question kept popping into my consciousness. Why in the world did she ask that? Was it a miscue due to English not being her first language? Ultimately I had to assume that they must get more than a few folks who ask to sit at the Sushi bar for the show and who don't order Sushi....could be numerous causes for this phenomenon, but the fact remains that the restaurant probably has do deal with this on a regular basis.

The most recent experience was when I purchased a 1997 Audi A6 q last week. The previous owners stated very clearly which indy German car shop did most of their manintenance, which over a dozen work order/receipts confirmed. I groaned....the same shop had maintained my 1992 prior to my getting it. I called up the shop, knowing full well how the conversation would probably go.

Me, "Hi, this is Dave B. I just bought a 97 A6 from X who told me they had the car maintained there. I'm looking for a little history on the car, especially with respect to when you think the timing belt might need to be changed next. Can you tell me the last time you changed the belt?"

Shop owner says, "Well, I can find a record for the work I did if you give me a date."

Me, "Don't you keep a file for each customer's car?"

No

Well how do you know when it's time to do critical work on your regular customer's cars, like the timing belt we're discussing?

Sorry, I can't help you.

Back to my rant. I realize most of the indy shops here in SLC...and especially the ones who post here...have computers, and that most probably keep a profile on the cars. But this particular shop is the classic example of "old-fashioned" (to be as kind as I can) meets high-tech, and utterly fails to meet the expectations of their sophisticated clientele.

After 2 years I'm almost acclimated to these types of interactions. I join the renegade sheeple and wait in line to get into my favorite clubs, even when there's plenty of room inside. I try to appear patient when answering questions that seem out of the ordinary. I often actually smile and talk with strangers when they try to strike up a conversation out of the blue. However, I do work hard to find and support those small oases of cosmopolitanism, I cherish my international friends who come here year after year to work at the ski resorts, and I do truly enjoy the easy access to the beautiful natural places Utah has to offer....I think I'll stay for awhile more.

iProDrive
12-07-2006, 01:39 PM

DaveInSaltLake
12-07-2006, 02:13 PM

iProDrive
12-07-2006, 02:16 PM
aw AT myaudia6 DOT com

8Rings
12-08-2006, 09:32 AM
itches in what could be full blown Hives. Plenty of stupid traffic stuff all over the place. While I agree Utah drivers suck, they don't have a monopoly on that particular skill set. The club jam has never seemed to bother me as I take it as an opportunity to rub up against cute girls who would never get that close to me otherwise. The theocracy is just another source of amusment to me. I take it as a joke that we are the only state left that gives Bush a better than 50% approval rating (I'm the other 50%).

The downsides are more than offset by cheap (relativly) living, close skiing and ease of escape - couple of hours to the desert and couple of minutes to the mountains. I'd bitch a whole lot more if I lived in Kansas. Hell I'm from SoCal and I'm still here after 20+ years, can't suck too bad.

Plus, now we have MMP to play at :)

nord1899
12-08-2006, 10:22 AM
Clubs. Eh, just try any of the major clubs in NYC at 11pm on a Saturday night. See how long the lines are out the door. In the winter even.
Utah is dumb with their membership system, which other than a revenue stream for the state, makes no sense whatsoever.

Traffic. Try Wash DC for traffic. In the top 3 for gridlock each year for the past 20 years. And until it recently got overhauled, had the worst interchange in the country (I-95/I-495 at Springfield). Or try getting around NYC from 3pm till 7pm. Like going 2 miles in 30 minutes? Or like paying $10 to drive anywhere due to tolls.
And Virginia is horrible for road design. They love to have you merge onto an interstate, into the left lane. And god forbid you actually speed 5+mph over the limit, you will get a ticket in most of the state. 80+mph, automatic reckless and possible impounding of the car.
Or New Jersey, with the abundance of jug handle turns which cause so many problems for people. Or the complete and total lack of traffic signs/directions.

The sushi thing, eh doesn't really surprise me around here. This is not the most sophisticated place. But then again, so called sophisticated people I knew back east, considered Ohio the west and Penn the south (as in the furtherest they have ever traveled).

This place does have its ups and downs. I like to think the low cost of living (despite making nearly $10k/yr less in Utah than I did in NY, I have more take home money); the relaxed atmosphere (everything is a competition in NY); the mountains right near by (sure Colorado has that, but they are hours away, not minutes); now a wonderful race track just next door; and other things help to overcome the problem of the heavily conservative and religious views of the region.

I actually kind of like the small town atmosphere/attitude mixed with a city (sure its a small city).

DaveInSaltLake
12-08-2006, 10:44 AM
And that's why I'm choosing to stay awhile.

I've lived in both cities and small towns, ranging from Idaho Falls, ID; Omaha, NE; Lincoln, NE; Seattle, WA. I've done my fair share of short-term and long-term work assignents in Dallas, Denver, Kansas City, Reno, Boise, Spokane, San Fran, Sacramento, Modesto. As an adult I've travelled and stayed in Chicago, LA, Houston, San Diego, Vancouver-BC, London, Barcelona, and more. Been to far more places with mostly unrecognizable names to pursue my passion of rock climbing and wanderlust.

SLC is in the classic position of a small city / big town going thru the growing pains of breaking into the next level....propelled in part by the people who come for the resorts, the Outdoor Retailers expos, Sundance Film Fest, and numerous other events. It's not uncommon to ride a ski lift with someone who left Boston earlier that day, or with someone with an exotic accent.

Now if only we could get a little bit of that diversity integrated into our community in general...all in good time.

Reggie
12-08-2006, 12:51 PM
who order a meal and sit at the bar - for additional sushi appetizers or to be a part of those ordering sushi from the bar.

SUBLIME
12-11-2006, 12:29 PM
Salt Lake is an interesting place to live.

While I do agree that you've hit on a couple issues that merit change, I don't think they are unique to Salt Lake or Utah. Individual business practices and restaurant protocol is hardly a state-wide thing. I've had some of the best service in my life at restaurants here. Also the worst.

This summer my wife and I vacationed in South Beach and I was blown away at the across-the-board horrible service, very long lines everywhere, the sexy-lady-selection game at every club, and $12 drinks (I had a great time).

I've lived in Salt Lake four times now. I keep coming back. I lived in San Fran, Boston, and many other places including Provo (now that is tough). While I enjoy many other aspects that older and more mature cities have to offer, I could never own my current house there, and I could never live the life I'm currently enjoying.

Let's have a beer some time and we'll talk about all the problems we'd fix if we were in charge.

Take it easy.

nord1899
12-11-2006, 01:35 PM
anyone want to do a get together at a pub for some drinks, whenever? Basically something other than just the lunch get togethers (which I schedule just due to the number of married folks who possibly have kids).

SUBLIME
12-11-2006, 07:19 PM

DaveInSaltLake
12-12-2006, 06:11 AM

Utah01S4
01-01-2007, 11:33 AM
Like George Carlin said, life is like a front row ticket to the circus. Might as well sit back, have a good laugh, and enjoy your time. I have no time for spoiled pansies with an inflated sense of entitlement who want to bitch about pointless things. In the grand scheme of things, we have it better than we can even imagine. We live far better than the kings of last century. Grow up and get on with your life.