View Full Version : "The Brazil Nut Effect"...new thoughts on what to do when caught in any avy...


lanemeyer
11-28-2006, 04:22 PM
The amount of knowledge we have about snow avalanches has increased immensely over the past several decades. Using this information, experts are constantly reformulating survival techniques and devising improved safety gear. The Avalung came out of knowledge that avalanche victims are frequently poisoned to death by their own exhalations. Beacon improvements come from knowing how important things like reliability and ease-of-use are to a quick search. Knowing how violent being `lanched is, experts now recommend keeping your backpack tightly strapped when in avalanche terrain so it'll protect your spine if you take a ride.

More, experts are re-thinking what you need to do while you're caught in a snow slide. The recommended plan used to be fight and swim -- do anything to stay on top or escape to the side. This appears to be changing. Dale Atkins, who investigated avalanche accidents for years while working with the Colorado Avalanche Information Center, is promulgating a new way of looking at survival. In an excellent presentation, he recommends one thing when you're caught: Don't bother with attempts to swim or fight. Instead, get your hands in front of your face, keep them there, and if you're buried do anything to make an air pocket when the slide stops. (Or if you have an Avalung, concentrate on getting it in your mouth and keeping it there.)

Beyond the importance of a breathing space, the key concept Atkins covers is that while a snow avalanche behaves somewhat like a river or waterfall, it is actually a "granular flow," meaning a snow avalanche is a bunch of solid particles falling down a mountain. Such behavior is similar to dumping sand out of a wheelbarrow down a hillside. In a granular flow, larger or less dense objects tend to rise to the surface. For example, snowmobiles are twice as likely to stay on the surface of an avalanche than a human. And humans tend to rise to the top as well, hence the large percentage of people avalanched who end up unburied. He calls this the "Brazil nut effect," as when you shake a can of mixed nuts and all the larger nuts rise to the top. As for swimming versus concentrating on an air pocket, the point of this concept is that swimming and struggling have less to do with ending up unburied than simple physics. Thus, working to create an air pocket may be more important than things (like swimming) that keep your hands away from your face.

As for gear, the reality of the Brazil nut effect means that avalanche airbags are quite possibly as effective as their makers claim they are, and truly worth developing as a viable avalanche safety device. I'm certain we'll see this happen -- it'll be interesting.<ul><li><a href="http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=520">http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=520</a</li></ul>

nord1899
11-28-2006, 04:52 PM
But he called the law of inverse particles, and used a potato chip bag as the example.

This is the idea behind that backpack with airbags you can deploy if you get caught in an avy. Increases your volume, so you are more likely to rise to the top.

lanemeyer
11-28-2006, 05:10 PM
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John Stahmann
11-30-2006, 08:25 PM
Best thing to do is to understand the conditions to avoid the avalanches in the first place, but learning how to properly use a beacon and then practicing with your beacon is important.

Bruce Tremper teaches some great classes. Also, the Utah Avalanche Center has some excellent info and it's updated daily.<ul><li><a href="http://www.avalanche.org/~uac/">Utah Avalanche Center</a></li></ul>

lanemeyer
12-01-2006, 08:57 AM

silver go fast
12-02-2006, 04:52 PM
keeping your backpack on increases surface area usually without significantly increasing weight--think hull size in boats. I am not sure I buy the granular flow theory as there are many additional complex factors (energy flux, velocity, distance, mass, etc.). This may be an over simplification because if this were true then why are almost 39% of victims caught in an avalanche fully buried? The other difficulty I have is the likelihood of hitting a rock or some other terrain feature is much greater deeper in the snow pack. If I can do something to increase my likelihood of staying near the surface, then I am damn sure likely to try it. Perhaps it should probably be that if you can swim and stay afloat swim like you mean it, if you find yourself buried try to do everything you can to create an air pocket. Overall, it is great to hear people talking and thinking about these issues. There is seldom harm in that as I have noted our previous discussion.