View Full Version : weird rubbing on passenger side.


EBG 18T [Eric]
10-26-2005, 12:23 PM
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It only rubs on left hand turns with enough force that the suspension gets loaded. Right hand turns are silent.

Happens on both my stock 17" sport wheels with the OEM size 235-45-17 and my OZ Superleggara's with 235-45-17. My ride height is 25.5" in the front and rear.

i figured out where it was rubbing (passenger front) by coating the aluminum bar in grease and looking for marks in the grease. The below pictures show what is rubbing. Any ideas on what caused this? I have not hit anything (potholes etc) and it started after we raised the suspension .25" back to the height where it was originally aligned (as far as i can recall)

Ideas?

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-26-2005, 12:24 PM
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the shop that did the install is going to check it out on friday. But i am looking for ideas on what causing this. Could it be the alignment is off now? Everything looks and seems tight. The wheel bearings are quiet and tight. Could this been the control arms? The car was fine when it was .25" lower, but rubs now. I ahve not had a chance to track the far, but was planning on it next week. But unless i can figure this problem out i can go.

Ideas?

DeutschDriver
10-26-2005, 04:49 PM
if its also happening with your OE wheels with OE tires...

my only guess is that when they were reassembling the suspension they used the wrong hole for some bolt or something... i had a simliar problem after having a wheel bearing replaced by the dealer. they used the wrong hole to bolt the lower control arm back to the chassis and ended up giving me 3 degrees extra caster ON ONE SIDE!!!

good luck with that. keep us updated.

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-26-2005, 06:47 PM

Imolavirus@BuehnEngineering
10-26-2005, 06:48 PM

Tomasz@Startup
10-26-2005, 09:21 PM
Bring it to a dealer or an Audi mechanic. Wrong mount hole sounds reasonable. Broken suspension bit as well.

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-27-2005, 05:36 AM

ryans4
10-27-2005, 07:06 AM
...something is moving.

Could be:

Wheel Bearing that is totally screwed up

Inboard Control Arm bushings shot (upper or lower)

maybe the steering rack on that side as well?

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-27-2005, 07:40 AM
when i lift it and play with the wheel, there is no play or loose movement. If i crank the wheel all the way left there is still no loose movement.

I think i would feel a bad wheel bearing, correct?

How do i check for worn control arm bushings?

How would i tell if the steering rack was fubared?

Is there some type of movement i should try to find? thanks!!

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-27-2005, 07:45 AM
i would like to find the root of the problem. but i can deal with just running it lower.. :(

ryans4
10-27-2005, 07:46 AM
...while it's out, check the lower control arms for anything "weird".

With that assembly off the car, check the upper control arms for wear.

If everything checks out, install it and see if it comes back.

After that, take it in.

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-27-2005, 07:55 AM
And when we raised it .25" it thru the alignment off that much?

previously it was at -1.5deg camber and 1/32 toe in. dont know the caster ammount.

By raising it .25" the camber should be less, but what happens to toe and caster? could that be the problem? Would an alignement fix it?

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-27-2005, 07:57 AM
The guys (freinds that own a shop here) that did the install are great to work with and are going to check the corner out tomamrow. so if the control arms have wear, they will have excess movement, right?

diagnosticator1
10-27-2005, 11:55 AM
When the car is on the ground, is the distance from the tire and the pic circled area the same on both sides?

ryans4
10-27-2005, 12:54 PM
...im betting something is either not tightened, or not installed right.

you can't adjust castor, your camber is fine. If you're running something bizarre for Toe, that might do it, but it'd have to be seriously wacky, like over a 1/4" or so. But still, it's weird.

i'm thinking something is broke.

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-27-2005, 05:12 PM

Imolavirus@BuehnEngineering
10-27-2005, 06:22 PM
that you'd rub that much with stock wheels/tires.

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-29-2005, 07:17 AM
we wiped the grease off that suspension arm, and recoated it and it did not rub again on all the rest drives we did. The tech thinks it might be coming from the rear but he couldn't find anything that is making the sound there. Everything is tight and the bushing were not worn. Also checked all the subframe bolts and those were snug. None of the suspension parts look bent, and the shock was still straight.

So back to square one, and no idea what is causing the problem.

Tomasz@Startup
10-31-2005, 03:43 PM
Other symptoms? I need to re-read your post.

EBG 18T [Eric]
10-31-2005, 05:31 PM
i will pull the wheel wed and check for rubbing again. The tech thought he might have also hear somethign from the rear suspension. But could not find anything.
-Checked and torqued front and rear subframe.
-checked upper and lower control arm bushing for wear and torqued bolts to spec
-checked suspension components for bents or irregularities.
-checked front and rear sway bars for bind, rub.
-checked brakes

Problem is everything seem to check out. Car seems to handle fine, alignment does not seem to be off. But the alignment is the only thing left to check.

ryans4
11-01-2005, 06:58 AM
clearly something was wrong, so even though checking things out is good, i'd remove the suspension and just do the thing over again.

unless we're missing some piece of the story/setup?

Imolavirus@BuehnEngineering
11-01-2005, 08:53 AM
geometry enough to cause that much rubbing with a stock tire/wheel combo.

ryans4
11-01-2005, 09:32 AM
...i'm with you, raising the car should not have caused any issue. In reality, he would have lost negative camber and gained some Toe Out or lost some Toe In depending on where his alignment was, but not a ton.

If it was my car, I'd pull all four corners off and start over to see what's going on.

EBG 18T [Eric]
11-01-2005, 11:21 AM
But i am going to wait since i don't have the time nor the cash to have it pulled again. I thought about just lowering that corner .25" to see if the problem goes away. If it does than i will lower the whole car again the .25" and just live with the ride height.

I was also tempted to just pull the suspension and stick the OEM sport suspenion back in and deal with it. Maybe my car and this new suspension are just not ment to be.

az100
01-22-2006, 02:49 PM
That is unless you are Superhuman or your name is hercules