11-24-2004, 02:30 PM
View Full Version : Anybody making any Receivers with HDMI inputs/outputs?
11-24-2004, 02:30 PM
11-24-2004, 05:35 PM
Why mess with an HD feed by adding a link to the chain?
And it isn't worth using the HDMI out of a DVD player because the scaler inside the TV is likely to be a lot better than the player's version.
If you can't see/hear a difference, there isn't one.
11-24-2004, 07:39 PM
11-24-2004, 09:44 PM
I have the same issue right now but with DVI
11-25-2004, 07:22 AM
HDMI is regularly going to prove to be an inferior connection than Component. It's all about which has the better D/A convertor; the source or the monitor.
11-25-2004, 07:40 AM
Either that or the one in my panel is awesome.
11-25-2004, 08:11 AM
component or DVI. I don't think you said DVI but there basically the same kind of signal.
11-25-2004, 10:22 AM
And binary digits can get 'lost' along the way, particularly if the go through a switching box.
11-25-2004, 10:32 AM
11-25-2004, 12:27 PM
then toggle the inputs on your display to look at the back to back comparison of the two methods.
Component Video is analog, meaning that the D/A conversion is done in the source component. HDMI/DVI is digital, meaning that the source component merely sends the digital signal to the display to be decoded by the TV's D/A converter.
So if you find the input receiving component video has better image quality, then the source component has a better D/A converter. If not, vice versa.
It might be a wash, but I definitely liked my Comcast HD DVR better using the DVI cable. Haven't tried a DVI-out DVD player yet.
11-26-2004, 06:47 AM
Getting back to running the HDMI thru a Receiver, in a Home Theater Setup most people couldn't tell there is a very, very small change. I mean I'm very picky about how things are set up and I can hardly ever tell a difference. So there's really no reason why you shouldn't/wouldn't hook it up thru a Receiver.
11-28-2004, 03:03 AM
www.outlawaudio.com It hasn't been released yet...but...
11-28-2004, 10:17 AM
I'm sure they make a half-decent product, but the idea of buy a receiver online without even getting to compare it with others is madness if system sonic synergy matters (why wouldn't it?).
11-28-2004, 09:26 PM
Here is their policy
30 DAY SATISFACTION POLICY FROM OUTLAW AUDIO (U.S. & Canada only, EXCLUDES interconnect cables)
Outlaw products are designed to satisfy all your needs for high performance home theater products. If for any reason, you are not completely satisfied with the your purchase, please contact us at 866-OUTLAWS (688-5297) within 30 days of receipt and you will receive a return authorization (excludes interconnect cables).
Please save all of your packing material since the products may get damaged in shipping without proper protection. We recommend that you keep the packing (even after the 30 days) so that if you ever move, the unit will be adequately protected.
If you decide to return the a product, we will provide you a pre-paid return label. When the product arrives, we will inspect it to insure that it was returned to us in original condition and with any accessories. Upon a satisfactory inspection, we will issue a full credit for your original purchase price.
Read their reviews...If I was looking for seperates they are the ones I would go with...If I didn't already have a great reciever I would wait for the 1070 that is coming out in January... DVI Switching, 7.1 and some great solid state amps.
11-29-2004, 07:12 AM
First of all, reviews don't really amount to much apart from how nice it is to read a sparkling review of a product you just bought.
What matters is how it sounds with your speakers and how it compares with other receivers.
The best way to audition hi-fi is to go to a store which has your speakers and try the receivers they carry and if that doesn't work, take your speakers to a dealer that carries a different range of receivers.
But if you walk into a dealer with a 'rented' Outlaw receiver under your arm to compare with their receivers it'll probably go down like Nun's knickers.
Buying from your local dealer matters, because when they are gone you will miss them once your system starts to sound really mis-matched.
11-29-2004, 11:50 AM
11-29-2004, 09:22 PM
11-30-2004, 10:02 AM
As Rubberduckie pointed out, HDMI is not necessarily going to get you much improvement with a lot of equipment. The advantages are if you have a fixed pixel display (flat panel LCD, plasma, LCOS, or DLP/LCD projectors) - then HDMI/DVI skips unnecessary conversion.
The other advantage is less wires for many signals, but this really only makes a significant difference with DVD-A/SACD, and these are still not established in the HDMI spec (though soon...).
11-30-2004, 10:35 AM
Flame away, but receivers from reputable companies will sound alomst identical to another one unless one is grossly overdriven... unless there is a SUBSTANTIAL cost differential. Plus, I assume that you are not running Kharma or Wisons if you are asking these questions, so I don't think you will run into 'mismatched sound'.
There have been any number of a/b/x blind tests done to attempt to refute this, but never has anyone been able to prove that they are able to identify 'better sound' from electronics.
If the features work for you, get the product. Outlaw has a generally outstanding reputation for bang-for-the-buck, and very good support. The 1050 (now discontinued) was on nearly everyone's short list of receivers for over two years - including TPV.
JUST MY (educated) OPINION
12-01-2004, 07:28 AM
I can tell you that at work, on a regular basis I demonstrate to surprised customers just how much better Monitor Audio and PSB speakers sound when driven by an NAD T753 receiver than they do when driven by a Denon AVR3805. Most o fhtme comment on how it's as if a vail has been lifted from the recording (or words to that effect).
Not that there's anything wrong with Denon receivers, it's just that the NAD is better suited to those speakers.
12-08-2004, 04:41 PM
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