I was gape-jawed! I thought it had at least 50% more HP than that. Was the most under-powered car in the comparison but the fastest around the road course. Just shows to go ya brakes and suspension are "as" important if not even moreso than power in road racing.

I have GOT to get a set of those Ohlins adapted to the 90!

I remember that comparison but I think they have done it with European car mag few months back, before the summer. IIRC, they were saying that guys from Stasis were surprised with rather low number and that possible something wasn't right with the car/dyno that day.

I guess I would also be surprised that even Stasis doesnt know what they really have. When I talked with them this summer about making me a set of equal-length headers I remember them telling me they didnt know what they had but I thought that was more of a "canned response" to keep it quiet. Maybe they really dont know. I also didnt see low or perceived diminished "low" numbers for the other cars tested. In fact they all "seemed" appropriate/believable for what they were and their level of development.

Who can know? Still a VERY surprising find. The article did tout the Stasis 12V as the only engine in the group that was "race-prepped." Scares me when I'm trying to get 300CHP as that would be higher than their race car.

There is that 500HP AAN several want me to buy/install in the 90 and I'm fighting so hard to not relent and take the easy road even for more power. Temptation is an insidious adversary.

When you are talking about these motor's are you talking na or force fed.

they suggested to him stood at 330+, IIRC.

Did Eurotuner test all the cars on the same dyno? Not very many places have a four-wheel dyno, and, even if they did, they would likely not test two-wheel drive cars on a four-wheel drive dyno.

If tested on different dynos and or in different dyno set-ups, as I suspect, it would become an apples and oranges comparison. Unfortunately, you would need to test on an engine dyno to get comparative numbers, due to the inability to test different drivetrain layouts in an identical manner.

but thast just me. I'll try to look up that mag if I still have it and see what it says. I remember there was other B5 cars, 1.8T's, 2.7TT's and that 12v.

the 200 number was measured at wheels. 200WHP would be closer to 275/280 at the crank. And I believe the test was done on the same dyno on the same day or over two days. All 4WD dynos are specifically made to do 2WD pulls as thats where the money is. 2WD dynos cannot do 4WD numbers tho there are elaborate setups that will allow each car to be measured twice, once for front wheels then again for rears with opposing wheels and/or axles removed. Not my idea of fun, repeatable or accurate.

I'll get more info on the article today, see what I can find out.

If our cars are loosing 35% from the drivetrain that seems horid. I'm guessing it was a different dyno, I've known some motorcycles that have run on different dynos and the "lower HP" bike would walk from the others on a straight. I always thought a max of 25% loss for a quattro seemed right. Then again I haven't dyno'd my stocker yet. I guess I'd have to look at the curves also, a smooth flat curve is always a bonus.

Hypothetical explaination: "But sir, you cannot levy such a dramatic weight penalty upon us for winning. Remember how far down our poor A4 placed on the EuroTuner dyno run? Our only advantage is our excellent suspension work, which will only benefit us on particularly slow tracks. We will get killed next month's high speed tracks. . . ."

If you do the math dropping 16lbs is equal to one hp
so they got in a sense about 60 more "unlisted" hp.
Formula= weight/ hp @ the crank.

Our B5/A4 race car with the lighter AAN motor but stripped to within an inch of it's life weighs over 2950lbs.

You cant add over 100 linear feet of DOM steel 2.25" OD .080"wall thickness tubing for roll cage and rigidty and get a B5 chasssis to pass FIA tech then not add it's 2.6lbs per foot back into the equation.

Maybe 400 lbs max is more accurate and perhaps even a bit optimistic guess. We managed to lose only 335lbs with a lighter engine and a smaller fuel cell than the Stasis car as hillclimbs are much shorter than road races.

I doubt they agreed to participate in the article then intentionally de-tuned.

use 28% as the DLL percentage in their calculations.

You also need pay closer attention to my posts selection of words and grammatical accenting of them to make them stand out and appear less-than-fact. Particularly when they have had potentially empirical statements substituted with words like "may" and "best guess" which in most circles would be perceived as "exactly that" and not "carved in stone" or empirical statements of fact.

and the dyno their car was tested on another 5% deviation. Or the Stasis guy was talking CHP and the magazine used WHP. Or if they each used different dynos or on different days and/or in different temps that number is easily covered by a 7% standard deviation. Not at all out of the realm of possibility or even probability given the nature of the beast.

We could still be talking the same 200/330 HP split with any part of either scenario mentioned above.

All were measured at the wheels and the Stasis car was the lowest by far. The other cars that were dyno'd seemed to be right on par with what was expected.

I'm not sure that it matters because we know what the car can do, but to start off with a 35% drive train loss and try to add another 5% "error" on top of it to justify the numbers really isn't being honest about the car's capabilities (as the comparison to the other cars shows).

All of that being said, as I mentioned to you back in August in a post about this exact same subject, I believe that they were sand-bagging for the test. They probably had the car tuned to have a very low HP output for the dyno test to keep their World Challenge competitors from really knowing anything about the car.

Scott

Actually that is my goal. Now that I see Stasis hitting 200whp I am starting to think I will be lucky to hit 160whp. :( Anyway this car kicks ass and you have me stuck on loving the N/A cars. So even if its easyer I cant find my self running for a nice AAN turbo yet. I am not saying the AAN is bad its not its sweet. But for me just begining I think the N/A will give me and advantage. If not it will help me learn everything possible to get a pony. This car is hard to get HP from.

that they can no longer compete with the BMW I6 even with their sanctioned waivers and exclusions. If thats true I see no reason to sandbag or lowball their numbers since it no longer matters.

We used to sandbag our asses off. But no one woulda bought into it if we'd sandbagged 35%. The secret of "hustling" or sanbagging is to do it in a way everyone buys into it. Nothings accomplished if everyone dismisses it.

They really didn't run in too many races this year (just 2 or 3), so I figured they would be either changing cars or giving it up altogether. I know they ran a BMW in at least one of the races as a second car, so I guess that's what they'll be going with in the future.

I don't buy the 200HP. They were either sandbagging or there was something wrong with the car. Just looking at the other cars makes me think that the dyno was fairly accurate...and a lot of the other cars were AWD. I went to go back and look at them again, but I think I threw my copy away.

I dont think there's a snowball's chance they ever had anywhere near 330HP at the wheels. And like you I think the 200 is low. But I doubt they ever put more than 250-260 to the ground. The engine may have had more but if the car had that kind of power I dont think they would've been allowed to have the larger-than-stock corvette type throttle body wich they applied for and got an "exclusion" on so they could be competitive. Nor do I believe they would've bothered applying for the exclusion. And while they gave up 300lbs to the BMWs due to Quattro the Bimmers were only in the 285HP range and Stasis has NEVER outran a Bimmer down any straight at any event I ever saw. They were alwasy strong in the corners and woefully under-powered in the straight. But GAWD they could get off the line!!

http://www.stasisengineering.com/cars.shtml

this is the site I got I off.

You cant believe everything you read in print.

I had no idea AWD sapped so much WHP...thanks for clarifying. Just want to have a ballpark idea when/if I dyno after doing your S3 MAF and other mods to my 30v! I can't wait till springtime when I place an order!
Nathan

try to run the new A3s next year. Evidently Audi is trying to set up a better factory support system to allow more teams to participate.

Not as cool as the 12V, but I'm considering an A3 for my next car, so I wouldn't be disappointed if that's what they chose to run.