Ick... Catch Can will be staying in for a while...

This is about 10,000 moles worth of sludge...
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least thats what I was accused of doing two days ago by one who tried a bit harder to duplicate mine. So much so that even his buyer thought I had made it. True story!!

Oh yeah that ones got TAP/Blau written ALL OVER IT!! How could anyone tell them apart!?!

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I wanna see how closely I duplicated them. I know and you know but it seems others have no idea.

<center><img src="http://www.audiworld.com/tech/pix/t_body3.jpg"></center><p>This one from Schaumburg Audi looks just like my Hoppen, and the Blau one, I once had.

Bored &amp; sleeved. :O)

who in their right mind could confuse one of mine with that one or think that I was imitating/copying them!?! And comparing my original one to that one would would surely pale in comparison to a side-by-side comparo of the latest imitation to my XTB series.

Between you, me and the lamp post I did make a couple of those but was never quite satisfied with their benefit/gains. By the time I had "sale units" available besides the ones I traded to my sons Audi friends locally in exchange for stock TBs they were all like Dr.D's. In fact that was the very first S3+ throttle body sold. And the only other one like it was the one I held back, had on my car and continued to develop. Tho there were many S3's sold there were only 2 S3+ TB's ever made/sold. They are distinguished by their epoxy molded/contoured air foils between primary/secondary bores and replaced butterfly screws that were smaller, more aerodynamic and ground flush with the butterfly shafts.

Thanks Mike. I tried for days to find one of the old originals and couldn't.

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so much so that even I struggle to find a single, solitary difference.

NOT!

ever been modified from its original version? The reason I ask is like MikTip stated originally, ie; it looks more hand-bored then sleeved. The two TAP TB's I've seen first-hand look almost identical to the ones in MikTips pic. They were bored over-size and then a very thin-wall straight-bodied aluminum sleeve was glued in. Did you get this directly from TAP?

With all the "bait-n-switch" going on with throttle bodies its almost like buying into a NYC street game of "3 card Monty." You can never be sure which is the red (real) card (TB).

I got a whole bunch of other stuff with it...

Ported &amp; polished heads with 272 degree cams, ported intake manifold with optional red powdercoat, the throttle body, and that's it. Quattro90S6 now has all those parts in his car.

My old car:
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ok that spalins it completely

Who says you "stole it directly"? Who says they are the same? My point was, using same principle in going about making one! I never saw your S3 TB, all I know its bored/sleeved....the rest is yours....and you may or may not know how TAP/Blau or whose ever looks like exactly...it doesn't matter....same goes for yout XTB.....epoxy putty around the wall, bore the primary and contour the edges....same? NO! Gazilion different little details may be different....you patch that port in primary, then re-drill it or whatever making it smaller after its done, no....I never did that! Big deal....your S3 was bored and sleeved, same as TAP or Blau or whoever did....your sleeve is taller, has angles...theirs is shorter, straight.....your XTB has perfect angles you only know of, mine has angles built into it I only know of.....

If I really wanted to duplicate this, don't you think I could purchase one of yours and make it completely the same? I would never do that, it would be so...I don't know, I can't think of a word but, but it would be real bad, I, myself, would feel like stupidest person out there who can't do better than go and copy someone elses work and try to profit on it.

Yes, I learned from you directly, you did give me an inspiration to DIY first time and I am thankfull whether you acknowledge that or not. In my audifans ad I never mentioned anything to do with you, AA, or even this forum, I didn't even cross-reference the ad in here or 80/90 forum....yes you are the first one who came up with this idea of using epoxy on the walls and some people may confuse any next TB thats done that way with yours, same like that guy did who posted the ad first time, same like Quattro90S6 assumed its yours because he didn't read my original post and saw that epoxy on the walls. I wonder if people were confusing TAP's(assuming they did it first) bored/sleeved TB's with Blau's (after) they started doing it???

All I have is one bored TB that I am stuck with, I am in the last semester of my school and really need $$, I am even selling my own car, and you get on my back like there is no end....I thought mine explanation of whole situation and your apology would end this, but no, I guess not....hell...you can keep pushing your arogant, stuborn and sarcastic way of resolving issues but I am not giving up neither!<ul><li><a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/9080/msgs/235261.phtml">where does it say "direct copy"???</a></li></ul>

copy/paste post quote; "I, myself, would feel like stupidest person out there who can't do better than go and copy someone elses work and try to profit on it."

Yet you had multiple units for sale? Thats an indefensible position. You simply cannot defend your innocence in all this while professing "not making these for profit" and simultaneously offering multiple units for sale. Utter nonsense! Sheesh if you're gonna argue at least be smarter about it! Or better yet just admit what you've done, apologize or dont and move on. But stop defending and rationalizing your mess as some self-righteous service to the Audi public at large without financial gain. You directly benefitted from something that looks for all intents &amp; purposes just like mine. I doubt if I'd never made one of these that you would've come up with the idea first or at all. But at the same time I think most know and will agree I would've very likely come up with the idea if there were no TAP or Blau. I was doing larger bores on Carter, Rochester, Holley, Weber, Dellorto, Mikuni-Solex and SU carbs by way of bored/re-sleeved venturis before you were born! What makes you think I would not have done similar mods on this TB!?!

Dont you find it even the slightest bit ccurious that the person who bought your throttle body thought it was one of mine because of the methods used in it's construction? Didnt he even say so to you publicly in a post?

Think anyone could make a similar mistake confusing any revision of TB I make or have made in the past and offered for sale with one of TAPs, Blaus or any of the others that have gone before or that are pictured in this thread? I think NOT!!

Of course they wouldnt! And ya know why that is? Because they are so vastly different that there can be no public confusion visually. Same thing with imitation Rolex's and NBA/MLB/NFL clothing. And you're as bad as that other guy when you think because I dont have a patent/trademark its public domain and yours to steal/copy as you see fit? Even the letter and intent of the law is based on "public confusion." If you make something that looks like a duck and that you say works like a duck then public perception is "it must be a duck." Thats not my take on it, thats the guidelines used by the US Office of Patents and Trademarks for litigation of these exact circumstances. Additionally there are "rights of first use" and anyone cannot imitate or copy for profit any such piece that was "first used" by someone else. You can make anything you want for your own use. You cannot make that same thing for sale to the public on a "for profit" basis. You can make anything thats been made before but it "shall not be confused with anothers design."

Doesnt matter that your TB doesnt perform like mine. What matters is it "looks" like mine. So much so that like I said even the person that bought yours thought it was one of mine and said so publicly, openly in front of the entire 80/90 forum.

Now as far as my responses they are mine alone. If you dont like them tough cookies. I didnt steal something from you and try to make a profit from it. And dont say you didnt when your own buyers also think you did. When everyone here thinks it looks like a copy of mine. In fact the whole post started over at 80/90 forum because someone saw your ad and asked me if I had seen it. Thats two people who confused your product for mine!! Participants in that post also thought it looked like mine. These are your forum members saying this. Your TB creates public confusion and people think it's mine! And you're denial in no way diminishes your culpability.

Want me to post that pic of yours next to one of mine here and at 80/90 forum and see how this and the other forum perceive your work? Want to see if they too agree with all the others who say they appear identical and of the same design?

Now I fully expect you to keep it up. Thats your nature... your morals, ethics and personal integrity at play, not mine. And in so much as all this "aghastness" that I might be just a little protective of whats mine yep I am. I've told you the stories of others who also bought cars with what was supposed to be my products on them that turned out to be homemade products like yours. And I have no doubt I would've inherited another one or at least some questions/concerns as they relate to its use with your latest sale. You did nothing to dissuade your customer from thinking it was one of mine until he posted he thought it was mine in that post. Your disclosure of it not being mine wasnt proffered until he stated publicly he thought it was. Smooth move!

I didnt take you to raise. I'm not going to take the time to teach you right from wrong or ethical from unethical. Not my job. But if you think I'm going to sit idly by and not try to protect people from you pawning off some knock-off imitation design of mine without disclosing its not one of mine you've never been more wrong!

And if you're low on money due to having a few extra throttle bodies around that arent moving like you planned well thats just not my fault. If people arent buying because now they're "informed" and "know" I didnt make them then who does that make the greater statement about?

I shouldnt have to be explaining any of this. It's all common sense to anyone with a conscience or any semblence of "right" and/or fair play. Now you keep defending your "just cause" but I'm telling you now you are wrong! And I think it likely you will lose face if you keep defending your "right" to make something so identical-looking as well as your doe-eyed innocence in all of this.

help or hurt the blow-by suction? How about beveling the inside edges of the breather holes in the sleeve? I know there have been some earlier posts, but haven't noticed the follow.

All this assumes that hoses are 3/4" and lined with wire loom material as suggested some months ago.

reaching the throttle body. I have nothing empirical to base that on other than I "think" its why Audi started using them when smooth lines are 1/20 the cost and from an engineering standpoint it just makes good sense. Larger bar will reduce velocity while a smaller bore will increase velocities. Smooth bore internal walls offer no "grease trap" to catch any oil solids. Like blowing oil around on a piece of glass.

When I did that post on using the larger line with the split-loom internal sleeve I put it on my 90. Of course my 90 doesnt use a drop of oil at any mileage. Least none as far as I can tell with the ARX and its associated accelerated oil/filter changes. But if you even visualize an experiment whereby you put a tablespoon of liquid oil in a corrugated line and try to blow it out the other end that has a 2" rise with compressed air it simply will not do it. It cant! All the liquid gets trapped in the corrugations and starts to drain back towards the valve cover end every time you stop spraying. Air/gas under pressure is laminar and cant get into the nooks/crannies to coax the oil solids out. It skips across the tops of the corrugation "peaks" while creating a slight dead air space within the corrugation "valleys." At extermely high pressure it can creat a vacuum in the "valleys" of corrugated line but that only comes at extreme, impossible velocities for the crankcase breather to duplicate.

I've got strong convictions that it works but no proof since the car I have now will not cooperate with the research. It simply has insufficient blow-by gases to confirm or deny the validity. My recovery sleeve has zero trace oil residuals inside. Good for me, bad for my research. I also believe this to be the "only" reasonable explanation why Audi chose SUCH an expensive line and got it past the corporate bean-counters. No way they woulda signed off on a a hose profile configuration that was more expensive without some sound engineering justification.

There is simply no other product on our car that is 20x more expensive than it need be. Less expensive perhaps but "never" more expensive.

Just looking for anything else I can do to reduce consumption. (short of rings;-) Fooling with the hole size n the recovery sleeve is easy.

Am guessing that there is a compromise to strike (with recovery sleeve hole size) between good intake flow and minimal blowby suction. Are we at the "sweet spot" now?

will be determined by you and/or some others who test the system. My instinct says it's very close to optimal as it's very close to stock size ID and internal hose configuration.

I'm sure I'll catch flak for this. Personally, I would buy UrS4's poduct because I know the countless hours of R&amp;D he puts into them but...

I doubt anyone on this site was the first to think of boring, epoxying or porting manifolds, TB's, carbs etc.

What's the big deal? A ported head, carb, TB, whatever... (given the porter has some skill and basic velocity v. volume knowledge) will usually look the the same no matter who ported it. How did the porter for my heads, intake and carb in the Maro get get around this? Easy, he put his name on his stuff... There are more than one manufactuers for stepped headers, equal length headers, dual friction clutches, long runner intakes, front runner wheels, tuliped valves, and almost every other performance part in the auto industry although I'm sure one person thought of and intialy marketed each and every one of them.

It doesn't look like the guy specifically said, buy my "S3" or "XTB" TB. I understand that you may have been making them around here first for the 12v, but I would also venture to say that if the way you make them is the best, then why should another person have to attempt to make thiers less than the best so as not to copy you?

If the best way to make a tennis ball is round, do I now have to make them square so that I don't get accused of copying Wilson?