4g63T
09-22-2004, 08:14 AM
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View Full Version : What grade Mobil 1 oil should I use? (Grammar???) Car has 150K 4g63T 09-22-2004, 08:14 AM Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v 09-22-2004, 08:20 AM The Truck & SUV designation is just poor marketing. moribundman 09-22-2004, 08:30 AM If you use the Mobil oil finder on the Mobil website, you will find that no Mobil oil meets the recommended viscosity and the required VW/Audi oil specs. Mobil will say you may be able to use M1 0W-40 or M1 15W-50. In my opinion, M1 5W-40 (idiotically marketed as "Truck&SUV") is the best M1 choice for the 12 engine, as it offers a near ideal viscosity range. Be advised that this oil does not carry the required VW/Audi approvals. However, this does not mean it does not meet or exceed the requirements of the 12v engine. If you expect sub-frezzing temperatures, you may want to go with M1 0W-40. My engine didn't sound good once hot with that oil, though. Lots of rattling, which I don't hear with M1 5W-40. You have other oil options (VW502.00): Castrol SLX 0W-30 (make sure it says it meets VW 502.00, not all SLX say that!) Castrol 5W-40 LubroMoly Vollsynthese 5W-40 Pentosynth 5W-40 Chevron 5W-40 moribundman 09-22-2004, 08:33 AM and I still do. Now we can get the VW502 spec in the Belgian Castrol 5W-40. Nice, because A, it meets the specs, and B, because they dropped the ca $8 price to under $5 a quart. From seeing the VOA (virgin oil analysis) on that oil, I'm inclined to say that M1 5W-40 is a better oil, though. quattro.pilot 09-22-2004, 08:37 AM any of the 5w40's is sufficient. otherwise most of the oils don't meet VAG valvetrain requirements... hence ticky lifters etc. My lifters are already shot as I believe they're 11 years old, but if you replace 'em run the proper oil & they'll be good for a long time check yah later moribundman 09-22-2004, 09:15 AM ... has to do with how fast or slowly the lifters fill with oil, which is mostly a matter of viscosity. For example, when hot M1 0W-40 made my motor's valves clatter when hot. That's why I didn't care for the 0W-40. It's thin sauce. The pertinent valve train wear test is PV-5106. Here are the required tests and specs to pass VW 502: sulfated ash: 1.5% max HTHS: 3.5 min seal compatibility: PV-3344 valve train wear: PV-5106 VW T4 test: PV-1449 sludge: M111E The VW 502 spec requires very demanding high temp/high load testing in a test that runs for 248 hours -- with no makeup oil added. quattro.pilot 09-22-2004, 12:16 PM moribundman 09-22-2004, 03:39 PM Cam lobes, not ear lobes! ;-) odelay12v 09-23-2004, 07:21 AM Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v 09-23-2004, 09:20 AM moribundman 09-23-2004, 10:15 AM There are some blends, though. And as you said, the M1 is synthetic. odelay12v 09-23-2004, 11:49 AM so do i understand now you use 5w 40 syn M1 moribundman 09-23-2004, 12:28 PM It's the best full synthetic 5W-40 I can find for under $6 per quart. Though it doesn't carry VW 502 approval, the relevant specs (HTHS, sulfated ash), exceed the requirements for VW 502. I plan on having a UOA done on this oil in a while. If you are a stickler for VW specs, Castrol 5W-40 should be a good oil (group III, semi-synth). If cost were no issue, I'd use Red Line 5W-40, but at about $8 per quart, the price is a tad steep, and the 100% ester content worries me (possible oxidation issues). Red Line oil does extremely well in VW/Audi engines (according to UOA). |