View Full Version : Sheesh I've got a problem but this is a problem people would love to have....


VAP
04-17-2003, 12:30 PM
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Her's a pic of my MAF as it exists right now and the post of the strange tale below: As you can see all the way to the paper filter element this thing is BORED!

I posted the other day that my car runs fine with the MAF unplugged if started after the neg battery terminal has been disconnected a few mintues.

Well after discovering that I decided to test run a spare MAF housing I have lying around by boring it out. I'm not talking hacksawing the sampling tube and leaving the inlet sampling tube or any of that stuff. I'm talking clamping it to the milling table and BORING THE MAF HOUSING!! Nothing remains internal in the MAF. When I reinstall the control module it's wire sensor housing is the ONLY thing remaining in the tube... nothing else... zero, nada, zilch, bupkus. And after installing it and reconnecting the neg battery terminal I start it up. No surprises here... I have a CEL within 3 seconds of starting. But fuel/air module readings are good, O2 sensors reading normal, and timing modules check out ok. I then take it out for a drive being very careful to monitor all telemetry. Everything seems normal 'cept that pesky CEL on. Drive it fast, slow, stop n go, city streets and interstate. Runs great, I mean better than it's EVER run! And all telemetry is giving me green light feed-back.

I put 22.5 miles on it then pull over to the side of a convenience store and pull codes. Here's where it gets very very strange... Twilight Zone kind of strange. My VAG 1551 tells me "no DTC's recognized." Damn thing has no codes to recognize, let alone clear. This can't be I'm thinking. I should have a ton of codes and the CEL was on full time the whole trip! So just to complicate things even further I restart the car. No CEL this time. I'm thinking WTF!?! So I drive home. On the way I'm pussy-footing it, hammering it and just driving the dog-poop out of it trying to get a code... nada. Car is behaving beautifully all the way home. Now out in the garage I pull codes again. Again nada. Car is faster than blazes, and even the MAF units output voltages are within spec for a stock car. From 1.35v at cold idle, 1.65v at warm idle, 3.35 at WOT blips while in neutral and 4.85v at load. Perfect numbers. I should say "perfect numbers for a car with a stock MAF. And apparently on a car with a totally gutted MAF. Timing tables: same thing. Actual fuel/air ratio gauge settings at idle and WOT on the highway: perfect! Timing: perfect. I'm completely stumped.

Now as good as all this sounds I don't think if I was sitting on you guys side of the monitor I'd rush right out and try duplicate this. I mean it's entirely possible this is a fluke and I got lucky, nailed an idyllic situation right outta the chutes, completely inadvertantly and entirely by accident. But there remains the possibility that maybe this will only work at altitude or a myriad of other possibilites. So don't take this post as encouragement, endorsement or advocating on my part cuz it's none of those. It's merely my passing on an inexplicable situation that has positive benefit but remains a mystery, least for now.

Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v
04-17-2003, 12:41 PM

Audiboy
04-17-2003, 02:09 PM

SlammedA4
04-17-2003, 02:22 PM
I am pretty much at sea level and I have done a lot of mods to my motor. I would be MORE than willing to be a beta test for this project. What are your thoughts?

MikTip
04-17-2003, 03:00 PM
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VAP
04-17-2003, 03:11 PM
I have Ross Tech software/cable too but the VAG factory unit is completely self-conatined in a blue plastic 8"x5"x2" box w/fold-up lid, 1/4 the weight of a laptop and easier to take along. They were $1500 5 years ago. You can still find em around at most dealerships service departments. The new 1552 is about $3500 and has all the OBDII updates. The 1551 had an Audi/VW part number and was only available thru dealers and a company called Baum Tools.

VAP
04-17-2003, 03:15 PM
Mine has neither of those and works great. Whats up with that? I'm all eyes/ears, believe me. I can't even begin to understand how or why it works so well.

Audiboy
04-17-2003, 03:22 PM
are displayed? I only have the software cable from RossTech, but I don't have his software - actually just the free beta. I've been using the VW Audi OBD software tool - never paid attention to the version. I also have a generic OBD Tool from Baum which I used for all OBD IIcars including my Audi sometimes. One thing I noticed is that sometimes the generic will not show all the errors, but the VW Audi (VAG) tool will (such things like secondary air injection on 30V's etc)

Maybe you should try the RossTech for kicks to see what it finds on that light

VAP
04-17-2003, 03:33 PM
I also have a Pro Diag thats very new and in a Sony hand-held. And like I said the 1551 is a VW/Audi Group part with a VAG part number. There are no codes, faults, strange or out of parameter readings in any of them. On the contrary, they are all nigh on perfect, optimal readings. The car is inexplicably fine, great in fact. But I'm still waiting on the other shoe to drop... any second.

And after stopping, pulling codes the first time the CEL hasn't re-occured. I'm stuck for any answers.

MikTip
04-17-2003, 04:40 PM
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/6607/maf1.jpg"></center><p>This is the older style Hot wire sensor, earlier Audi's came equipped with. Which run better with a recalibrated MAF.

MikTip
04-17-2003, 04:42 PM
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Is the one you posted.

It does not need a recalibrated MAF, as it has its own calibrated hole! ;O)

I have both,(mine was bored by hand) and my earlier Hitatchi ECU runs better with the older calibrated MAF.

I have also removed the groove from the screen.

The secret lies in the ECU MAP.

Got anyone who can crack the ECU MAP code? ;O)

Audiboy
04-17-2003, 04:51 PM

VAP
04-17-2003, 08:00 PM
Like the steel rear sway bar links from the B4 chassis Quattro or 96/early 97 B5 Q's... you order the old part number for "steel" sway bar end links and you get the newer plastic french-made POS. Looks like salvage yard is the only source for that bad boy and it's housing.

But I'm just gonna run mine as-is. I ain't changin' nuttin! This is WAY WAY too good! Did another 30+ miles round trip to dinner tonight and still CEL &amp; code free. And the car runs better than ever. This is akin to removing 20 MAF screens!! Not subtle at all! But hey, at 6,000 ft I'm a little air-anemic anyway. I need all I can get.

Dead
04-17-2003, 08:55 PM
You can buy it bottled. ;-)

MikTip
04-18-2003, 01:32 AM

VAP
04-18-2003, 05:32 AM
would probably take this on for +or- $75-$80. Half that if the center sampling tube has been pre-removed, little more if you want them to hand-grind or polish the internals flush or smooth. Hand finish the small 'nubs' that remain where the sampling tube attached to the walls with a Dremel or similar then buy a 3" 320 grit flex hone for $20 after it's been bored, chuck it into an electric drill and "hone yer own" in 2-3 minutes.

By the way, once this is bored and you can get a telescoping gauge inside to measure I.D. you'll find this is a 73mm stock I.D. MAF housing, not the "OE 70mm" shown in that pic beside the 73mm C&amp;L unit. Even after 3 stage honing it remains 73mm. That was a nice surprise to stumble upon.

xr4tic
04-18-2003, 08:13 AM
just with a different connector on it.

MikTip
04-18-2003, 05:38 PM
I didnt find out until after recalibrating the MAF because of the older style Hot Wire sensor, that Audi had the newer version. Which, then I bored out the MAF, and ran it as you do now, bare! ;O)