View Full Version : Another intake tract mod often overlooked with significant gains


VAP
03-17-2003, 01:00 PM
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Amazing all the little snippets of interest one can come up with when R&amp;Ding throttle bodies then looking at upstream components.

This is one I found 4-5 months ago and disclosed on the 80/90 forum at the time but until very recently didn't do any flow-testing on. And while flow alone isn't very telling, the modification still proves to be far greater and feelable than the sum total of it's parts and numbers would indicate.

Essentially what I've done here is take an early UrQuattro airbox apart and remove it's internal airhorn. A 4" long by 76mm (2.99") O.D. length of black heat-resistant injection molded ABS that was only indiginous to UrQuattros and had an integral airhorn molded into its inlet and has a 71mm I.D. I have to break em to get em out of the UrQ's as they are a one-way snap-in arrangement using locking tabs. Then I cut them down to about 1.5" long and on the 90 series cars I wrap a few times around with electrical tape so they're a tight interference fit. On the A4 2.8 airbox they are perfectly sized without any wrap. Just cut them to length and epoxy into the airbox top and flsuh up against the MAF screen. It's an identical I.D. match to the MAF screen's outer ring O. D. (I love it when that happens!).

Most people believe the screens in the MAF are there to protect it's internal hot wire or other componentry from flying debris. And while the screen does serve that purpose, it's true reason for being there is for laminar air stabilization. It has a smoothing affect on air flowing past it for an inch or two and across the MAF's sensor area. This serves to prevent the MAF from getting irratic, turbulent air with sudden spikes, lulls, eddies and vortex's and allows the MAF to output averaged, consistent fuel/air ratio signals better than without the screen. It's drawback is it does indeed cost some power in the form of diminished flow.

Placing an airhorn/velocity stack at the MAF inlet does a far superior job compared to the screen at stabilizing and smoothing the air and downstream flow is markedly improved. And it's a perceptably feelable difference. As to whether or not you leave the MAF screen in doesn't seem to matter as much any longer. I think thats further supported by some who are running cone setups with an integrated airhorn/velocity stack within the filter element and feel a definate improvement. But a cone setup unless sealed tightly against engine compartment heat has a more vague, arbitrary and ambiguous benefit than one drawing cool/dense air as the stock airbox which in that regard is very very good temp-wise. Davtron it sometime and you'll see.

The next caveat thats born out in testing is that the further away from the MAF any airhorn is located the less it's benefit. Any further away than 2" from the MAF inlet and the apparent benefit falls off at approx 20% per inch. At any more than 4-5" away it's no longer working or at least is no longer perceptable... you can't tell you did it.

The way I did it allows the stock airbox be kept without modification on the A4 and the 90. The stock airbox will flow just at 320 CFM of air with a stock filter and 370 CFM with a K&amp;N panel element before it becomes restrictive. Thats plenty up to about the 225/270HP respectively on the A4. The 90 series airboxes are a little less efficient at 270CFM/295CFM. But find a way to open up the 54mm airhorn inlet behind the headlight to 75mm or greater and you'll flow the same numbers as a stock A4 airbox.

Another way to do this mod on either a 90 or A4 is to find a cone setup that can be adapted very closely to the MAF and boxed in to keep the intake charge cool. A simpler solution if you're running a stock airbox but still want most, if not all, the gain of a cone system is to find a K&amp;N (or similar/cheaper) cone setup that utilizes the integral velocity stack and cut it apart to get the velocity stack/airhorn portion out of the bottom of the filter. The cheapest one you can find with a 2 7/8" or 3" flange... even used is fine, in fact prefferable as all cept the inlet &amp; flange is going in the trash. Then have a muffler shop cut you a 2" length of 3" O.D. diameter tubing. Then deburr it's inside O.D. at both ends. On an A4 this can then be epoxied in as-is into the top of the airbox and up against the MAF screen once it's had it's cut-down v-stack K&amp;N attached. On a 90 you can wrap a few layers of electrical tape around one end and test for fit. Soon as you have a good, snug fit just push it in and up against the MAF screen... again, don't install it permanently until the K&amp;N V-stack is on it's inlet end. Don't worry, it apparently never falls out even on the bumpiest of washboard roads. We tried hard and couldn't make it fall out or even budge .001 of an inch.

Once you've gotten a K&amp;N or similar fully dissected down to it's internal velocity stack inlet you can then cut all of it's flange off except for 1/4"-1/2". This is then fastened to the small length of 3" tubing with a tie/wrap (cable tie). Don't worry that it's not "Hose-clamped" on as again I couldn't make the thing come off on a bet using just cable ties. Once the pipe is attached to the filter flange you can then fit it to the inside airbox MAF inlet area. Make a few trial fitments first to make sure everythig fits and on the 90 make sure it's inlet end doesnt stick into the panel filter element when closing the box up (less important on an A4 as there's plenty room). Once everything fits with airbox closed and fastened you're ready to mix epoxy on the A4. On the 90 you're done.

If any part of this is unclear just ask questions. I'm sure many here already understand the concept.

Test drive and feel the difference! It's really quite significant for such a simple mod.

Pics show the UrQ airhorns as at one time I had four of them either sitting around or scavenged from salvage yards. But these are a LOT more work even if you could find one (they are rarer than hen orthodontists) than a simple K&amp;N with VS inlet.

Pic 1 is UrQ mod on a 2.8 12V A4 airbox

VAP
03-17-2003, 01:05 PM
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/90smafstack1.jpg"></center><p>this is the UrQ stack shown up against the MAF with it removed from the car. This is what it looks like when installed with airbox removed for clarification.

VAP
03-17-2003, 01:10 PM
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/90Smafstack2.jpg"></center><p>An interesting aside is that if you're running a cone setup now and it's further away than 4-5" from the MAF you can regain the lost benefit if you can find a way to get another velocity stack/airhorn located up against the MAF per my original post. S'true!

Xel
03-17-2003, 07:09 PM

Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v
03-17-2003, 09:25 PM
or did you just have that laying around? If the horn is added, does removing the screen hurt anything? Thanks.

VAP
03-18-2003, 04:01 AM
repeated thruout Audi/Porsche (and others) intake tracts. A shape well-known to smooth turbulence as air passes thru and increase velocities. I also have one on my 1.8T with an equivalent positive increase.

I chose the UrQ airbox inlet originally because I had a couple of them gathering dust in my garage and remembered Audi had used them on the UrQ's. I never guessed I'd get so lucky that they'd be such the perfect fit. In the UrQ they are a little over 4" long but incorporate 4 plastic "crosshair" laminar diffuser vanes that are cast into the stack I.D. that facilitates the longer length. In any velocity stack design longer is definately better up to a point of diminishing returns but the airbox design of the 90/A4 doesn't allow long enough lengths that the integrated diffuser can be used as they are inset within the bell flair about an inch below it's taper and run full length. Since I can't use that length on the stock 2.8 airboxes due to physical restrictions I just cut them to length on the lathe and bore out the remaining 1/4" or so of vanes remaining as at that length they are useless, simply not enough surface area to do any stabilization.

You can always try running without the screen. Worse that can happen is diminished power or sometimes the car will throw a CEL. Some cars MAFs are more sensitive than others and don't tolerate sans screen very well but most cars work fine, some better, some worse and will run forever without it. And it seems the ones that do best without the screen coincidentally have a cone setup with that bell flair velocity stack nearby. If after testing you feel nothing put it back in. No harm in trying. The ideal situation is to get as much clean, stable and smooth air past the MAF as possible to allow it to do it's job. In a NA car the engine can't suck at high enough velocities to worry about sucking up anything serious enough to damage anything. However on serious turbo applications running 25 psi and above boost levels, that can become quite a different story. I've broken two hot wires in my UrS4 RS2 MAF's due to very obvious high velocity debris hits when running between 28/30 pounds of boost. On that car I keep the screen installed as those puppies are SPENDY!

One thing I will say about this mod is that it's a LOT more apparent than just dropping in a K&amp;N panel filter! And you can feel the results with a K&amp;N or a stock air filter.

Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v
03-18-2003, 06:15 AM
Guess a call to a salvage yard is in order. =) Thanks for the info!

VAP
03-18-2003, 06:40 AM
it's not available from Audi other than in a complete UrQ air box. But the cut-down K&amp;N or similar offers identical results. A friend of my sons did his and just siliconed it to the airbox top at the MAF inlet since he cut all the flange off (be DAMNED sure the silicone is fully cured before mounting near MAF as the vapors will kill the MAF in a split-second if it sniffs uncured silicone!!). And I can't feel any negative difference than the cars with the UrQ piece. I think any method used to get a curved bell flair rather than a straight, sharp edge into the MAF is the only real, contributing difference. In fact I would not be a bit surprised to find that Dremel-grinding then sanding smooth a tapered, smooth radiused opening in the top of the airbox MAF inlet would accomplish much the same thing although not as precisely as a pre-made piece. But I'd use a cut-up cone with integral V-stack in a heartbeat if I needed another one today. And like I said earlier, if you dont have a lathe or access to one you'll struggle with getting that diffuser out of it without leaving high/low/rough spots which would likely compromise it's effectiveness. It's the smooth radius transitioning contours that make it what it is.

If I can lay my hands on an "el-cheapo" or used cone filter with an integral velocity stack I'll do a step-by-step photo "how-to" as it's really too good a mod to summarily dismiss as minimal ROI. Or if someones got one they want to donate, I'll use it then return it when done. Of course it'll be history as a filter at that point but entirely acceptable as this modification. Just make sure it has a 3" flange opening.

Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v
03-18-2003, 07:13 AM
talking about. If I can find one to donate, I may consider it. Is cleaning the cone a concern or is none of the filter element used?

VAP
03-18-2003, 07:27 AM
when installed, to the UrQ piece I've shown in the pics with the physical exception of being a little more pliable/resiliant than the ABS plastic but ridgity on such a short piece is of no concern.

Filtering remains handled entirely by the stock airbox panel filter or K&amp;N panel filter below the MAF intake.

VAP
03-18-2003, 08:24 AM
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/vstack1.jpg"></center><p>If this filter were cut down to the lowest horizontal line before the flange area it would then be a simple velocity stack inlet, ie: the part I'm talking about mounting to the airbox MAF inlet. Hope this helps with visualization.

Mr.D-'97 A4q 12v
03-18-2003, 08:27 AM

VAP
03-18-2003, 08:38 AM
that could be cut to length and be a LOT cheaper alternative while proving just as effective. Would be horrific exhaust tips but perfect airhorn inlets. Or other options I haven't considered. I just saw the cut down air filter imitating my sons car and was impressed with the kid's ingenuity and resourcefulness as he wasn't using it since he didn't have the tools to seal it from hot air.

MFZERO
03-18-2003, 03:20 PM
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/44005/0011.jpg"></center><p>cone inside box, epoxy around where it was cut to fit the maf adapter plate from TAP. adding a bigger MAF (late 90,A4 version.) soon