Yes, I know, I should perhaps browse the Porsche forums for that but you guys have been such a great support and help that I'd rather take your opinions first.....
Finally lined up a 944 T/K27 for a test drive, not a very pretty example but that doesn't matter. It does have a Radio with CD....that's the last thing I'd expect in a Porsche....too much weight ;-)
Timing belt is one thing that comes to mind and surely replacing all the liquids, well mostly.
Besides using some common sense, what else likes to go sour on these cars?
06-30-2008, 06:30 PM
06-30-2008, 07:10 PM
which I've found to be as useful as the allroad forum.
Good seeing you this past weekend. :o)
06-30-2008, 07:14 PM
06-30-2008, 08:13 PM
06-30-2008, 08:17 PM
definitely for VIR in November :-)
I guess the allroad has now officially become a towing vehicle.....she needs a break anyways :-)
Dimi (A6 2.7T)
06-30-2008, 08:22 PM
It seems that the 944T go every two years through a head gasket. This is a pricey job. Make sure the gearbox is in good shape and the clutch as well. I got mine in perfect condition except the timing belt, water pump, etc need to be replaced.
Check Dorkiphus.net and Rennlist.com for more guides for buying a 944 or 951.
06-30-2008, 08:29 PM
responded to setup a test drive so we'll see how it feels with the clutch, tranny, oil pressure etc pp....
Are there any upgrades for the head gasket available? Something like a racing version based on metal and other composites?
07-01-2008, 03:16 AM
Those little 4 bangers putting out a lot of power need a cooling system that is in tip top shape. This issue tends to only surface when it's being pushed on the track, so my PPI did not pick up that my car runs really hot on the track when the temp is 85+.
The head gasket on 944 Turbos does seem to go every few years. Just write it in as a maintenance cost.
There will be oil leaks. You need to have someone familiar with a 944 turbo to look it over carefully, and use this as a negotiating tool with the seller. The most common areas are air oil separator o-rings, oil cooler area (very close to the oil filter), balance shaft seals. Also, like any old car, there is a possibility of steering rack leaks.
Good luck. You really need a good Porsche shop that is familiar with 944s to give it a good looking over. Get to know that shop, because you're going to be spending a lot of money there!
07-01-2008, 03:45 AM
all depends on how much a HG job is I guess :-P
07-01-2008, 03:47 AM
07-01-2008, 04:19 AM
Dimi (A6 2.7T)
07-01-2008, 04:36 AM
it is more expensive to maintain. I am sure that there are discussions about alternatives in the Rennlist forums. I have been spending a lot of time there since I got mine:) Good luck and I hope you luck out with a well maintained one!
07-01-2008, 04:51 AM
07-01-2008, 05:06 AM
... Dorkiphus people aren't helpful, its just that you will interface with more 944T owners at Rennlist. Dorki is helpful for finding tools and ideas. If you post a 944 technical issue, you first get the "engine in the wrong place" diagnosis.
07-01-2008, 05:09 AM
... to scrub the old oil off the bottom of the car. ;-)
07-01-2008, 05:20 AM
Glad to hear your car is finally in a much improved state!
07-01-2008, 05:25 AM
07-01-2008, 05:38 AM
07-01-2008, 05:39 AM
Took me a minute to realize who you were.
07-01-2008, 05:49 AM
07-01-2008, 05:52 AM
07-01-2008, 05:54 AM
07-01-2008, 06:07 AM
07-01-2008, 06:10 AM
yet but would be a great source of info.
07-01-2008, 06:24 AM
07-01-2008, 07:07 AM
What strikes me a little odd is the lack of air getting into the engine bay, that may cause some of these over heating issues. We'll apply the same solution as for the allroad - hood intakes and vents.
The good thing is that my tuner also specializes in Porsche, not sure how far they can go on a 944T.
If all else fails then I'll have another steep learning curve ahead for this car mostly resulting in DIY's :-)
I've done already some browsing through Rennlist to see if there are other solutions for the IC and oil cooler which might help to address some issues.
And I just hope that it wont turn into another money pit like the 200TQ.
Thanks again for your advise and help, I really appreciate it and look forward to see you either at the Glen or VIR soon.
07-01-2008, 07:14 AM
to go. It's either a Rally ready Audi 90Q or a 944T and since the ACNA has taken over some priorities for track days, the 944 is the logical solution.
BTW, the 200 will be pick up tomorrow and goes to someone who already has a couple of them, so it's in good hands :-)
07-01-2008, 07:18 AM
have great expertise.....and since they've been driving circles around me at VIR anyways ;-)
07-01-2008, 07:24 AM
with.....some of my buddies drive 944T with a K27 and 2 of them never had an issue, I'll need to find out why and what they are using. Granted, that these are race prepp'd 944's and done by some serious Porsche tuners.....but we'll find out and hopefully also find a better head gasket that does the trick.....
I can't wait to read some of this stuff on the Porsche forums, sounds like fun......so actually they both have the engine in the wrong place since neither one is a mid-engine :-)
Oh dear, kids and their toys....will this ever stop... :-)
One great thing about Rennlist - I found already a roll cage, love that site :-)
07-01-2008, 07:38 AM
pretty sweet and will be one of the first mods.
Thanks for sharing Erich!
07-01-2008, 07:43 AM
But I'll be thorough, if you recall some months back I posted about a 944 the first time, so I'm in no hurry to spend around 10-12K on something that might not be worth it.....
07-01-2008, 07:59 AM
07-01-2008, 09:33 AM
so you having someone else do the 200 or you letting it go for the time being?
regardless of what you pick up, both of those cars sound like fun :) Look forward to a ride, though I will admit it was fun flying around the track in that grocery getter!
07-01-2008, 09:42 AM
07-01-2008, 09:44 AM
when entering the uphill esses, "Itz time to make zis cow fly! Fly Bessie, fly!"
07-01-2008, 10:17 AM
07-01-2008, 10:40 AM
I really want it to find a good home. Yes, that's not the "usual" way of doing things but what the heck, life is too short ;-)
The 944 does have a suspension installed so I might just change the springs, raise the ride height and go Rally with it :-)
Remember, I'm still not a US Citizen so there are some dependencies of getting my Lancia Delta Integrale HF over here.....once the decision is made, the cloves come off and we'll battle the S2 again.....just for fun :-)
07-01-2008, 10:46 AM
if so I want to hit you as I woulda taken that off your hands in a heart beat ;) That combo would be a spitting image of my old 200 that I totalled way back when.
Regardless, glad it found a good home and will live on in some shape or form.
and what's this about lancias?? i want pix ;)
07-01-2008, 10:48 AM
07-01-2008, 10:50 AM
Do you know what the weaklink is? Is it the size of the radiator, general waterflow through the block?
07-01-2008, 11:05 AM
Here is a little example of what she looks like...who ever said 4 wheel drifting is uuuhhhmmmmpossible never drove one of these...or an UrQ....or S2.....or allroad ;-)
The 200 I parted out was also a spitting image of my old car, but it was in such rough shape I decided to let it go. If it were in the same shape my old 200 was (near pristine!) I would have fixed it up and sold the 4000!
07-02-2008, 04:34 AM
Some examples might be worth your attention....even some perl white ones for a little $$$ :-)
07-02-2008, 04:39 AM
if I'm going to pay for a quattro, I'm getting an UrQ... at least for now!
And yes I saw the one on AF for $3k. Trying to talk myself out of going and looking at it! I drive right by it this weekend going home to see the folks and fam over 4th of July!