What ever happened to people who considered themselfs "car guys", this talk is all so imature. Do we not like cars? Or is this a group of people with there first nice cars all bragging at each other? Maybe I should come on here and talk about my first car a Brand new 68 MGB. What do I mean? I mean after years of owning every thing from Dodge Hemi's to Porsche 911, I have realized that all cars have something to offer. My race prepped 911s, took your 45 mile an hour corners at 80, SO WHAT! Are there any real car nuts on this board who do not care to compare penis size (my BMW is better and bigger than your AUDI) trust me in 10 years you will not care about how fast your BMW was, you'll just miss it cause it was a great car.