toyota specs:
180 hp @ 7,600 rpm
130 lb.-ft. @ 6,800 rpm
curb weight: roughly 2500lbs.

Which would be faster?

Weights 1k lbs less than the A4, has more hp... unless you catch 'em at a light, then if you have Quattro, u will launch on it and it'd be a while 'til he can catch up, since the A4 has the torque in the low end, it'll keep pulling....

Don't worry the Celica WILL catch up though... eventually..

celica gts vs. 170HP 1.8t --- celica
celica gts vs. chipped 1.8t --- close, audi
celica gts vs. 3.0 ---- close, audi

Not to make fun of this comparison, but how many Celica drivers have you found that could drive that thing? I used to kill them with my little 99 Miata that dynoed at 115 and 107. But I did have air horns, maybe that was the difference.

Its all about learning how to drive boys and girls.

stop trying to race a 2500lb car! in the drag world every 200lb's is a tenth of a second. With the same HP of corse

a FWD car repeatedly ? Sssslllooowwww. Tiny torque band means they have to row like crazy. My Alfa has 180hp at 5100rpms and 180ft lb of torque at 4100rpms. Weighs 3000lbs. Could spank them anywhere at any time. A well driven Qtr would have handed us our walking papers.

We'd had quit a number come on trade-ins at the dealership. Not bad, but noisy and rattly as well as no power at all at lower rpms. You have to drive it like you stole it, to get good times from it. Most bought a GTi 1.8t to replace it.

You may as just as well go get a new Jetta, Mustang (6cyl.), or a BMW 3 series (for those high maintenance girls).

I'm a fan of freeway onramps and transitions;-) I really don't care as I don't race from light to light, although I may launch hard just to get a car length or two to change lanes. Most people drive using torque - many of them unaware of what rpms they need to be at to get the most.

... best handling front drivers on the market. The torque is nothing to write home about and the looks are subjective but man those things can cook on the track. Put it this way: a Celica GTS with 180hp tips the scales just over 2500 pounds compared to our portly rides coming in between 3400/3500 pounds. That's a lot of fat guys sitting on your hood.

Around 7.5 on average ( yes, it is possible to launch both faster ). The A4 should get a better 5-35 range, and then the Celica's engine gets into the rev range where it can make some torque. I find most Japanese car owners shift far too soon to take full advantage of their cars power band. They are quick if the driver is prepared to rev the snot out of them, and knows how to launch a fwd car quickly.

How often do you see a slow Jetta driver ?;-)

My dad had a 91 M3, that thing was a N/A 4 cyl 200hp GO CART incredibal, hp/weight. i forget the weight but it was like 2600. I cant even immagine what that celica could do with some power and torque..As for the Alfa's you allways mention, i wish i had the info to comment, i dont have a clue about thoese cars!

<center><img src="http://www.carsfromitaly.com/alfaromeo/szchassis_300.jpg"></center><p>That can make for a fun little car when driven at 8/10ths. Too much understeer for my taste, and not much fun when you really push it hard to the edge.

As for the Alfa, it weighs 3000lbs, has 180hp, 180ft lbs of torque from a 3.0 V6. 100ft lbs available just off idle. It is all aluminum, as is the transaxle unit. It is a full transaxle design with torsion bar front end, and dedion rear end ( think late 60's Ferrari or Aston GT car ). The handy torsion bar layout allows plenty of room for the V6. Makes adjusting height easy to do - just pull out the splined end of the bar, rotate and re-insert. The dedion keeps the rear camber constant, but keeps unsprung weight to a minimum. Brembo front brakes, inboard rear brakes, Recaro front seats. 0-60 in 7.5 or thereabouts, top speed 137 to 140mph is mainly limited by crappy aerodynamics;-) Tall 4:10 final drive.<ul><li><a href="http://membres.lycos.fr/garage75/photos/alfa75imsa.JPG">The ultimate Milano/75</a></li></ul>

"Tacking a wing or spoiler on your car ... will add a steady state downforce equal to the weight of the part." -RangeR BoB

<center><img src="http://www.alfaclub.lu/GRAPHICS/Callawaygtv6.jpg"></center><p>in Montana a few years ago. Saw an early M3 at a gas station. We did the nod and nice car comments, then set out headed in the same direction. The old Ms are limited around to 130mph. He got there quickly. It took me a few miles when I crept up ever so slowly and walked past him with the foot to the floor. Must have had a slight tail wind;-) We both backed off and cruised at 100 for a long time.

There is a much more attractive coupe called the GTV6 which is a mechanical twin to the Milano. There is even a twin turbo Callaway edition.<ul><li><a href="http://www.gtv6.org/index.shtml">http://www.gtv6.org/index.shtml</a</li></ul>

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Hey Hey!!!!!
I love my Jetta! Just 'cuz I get chicks doesn't make it a chick's car :p

Patrick G.