Anyway, I have always wondered two things; was that the Audi PR car that Phil Hill Drove, and how much did it sell for. I would love to know.

months and dropping the price a few times. It was just the car left at his mountain house, no "special" history. Search this forum, there is lots of discussion about it. All of the local CO ur quattro guys knew about it. Note that this was a few years ago.

Last that I heard in talking with Keith Anderson (not Kent), there was a bidding war going on for it and offers were over $40k.

Almost make me wish that I had picked it up when it was at $12k. The thing is, that is not a car that you would drive and what fun would that be?

I'd hate the idea that I was reducing the value of the car every time I drove it.

Don't get me wrong, I love looking at clean, unmodified cars- I just don't see the point of owning them personally.

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"The Twins"

(Defininatly not identical though!)

For the time it was amazing, but for the price now, without inflation even factored in, you can get an all wheel drive car with twice the horsepower, a better shifter, a far nicer interior, better brakes, better handling and a more solid chassis.

If you want a "new" ur Quattro take a look at the new TT RS. It has a 340hp 2.5l I5 turbo, six speed transmission (NO DSG), huge brakes, awesome seats, a solid chassis and about the same weight as the ur quattro, which I find to be surprising. The looks? Hmmm, I may have to see it in person. It just doesn't seem have the same aggressive stance as the ur quattro in the pictures.

The only performance downside that I see is the Haldex all wheel drive system, but the tuning for those is getting better. My bet it is pretty much dialed on on that car. With a chip, a good exhaust system (for "the sound") and maybe an airbox to give it some intake noise, it would be an awesome companion to the ur quattro in the garage. You could also drive it every day as you will be able to get parts for it. Too bad it will probably be priced out of reach, if we will even get them in this country. Hmmm, just like the original....

I hope that whoever ended up with it keeps it as a time capsule and just runs it enough to keep everything operating. It would be a shame to drive it now.

Word is that Audi Tradition had some interest in it.

Mine is not my daily driver, and never would be. In fact, when I first drove it, I was astounded how much it reminded me of a VW Fox I had years ago(not exactly a high-performance milestone). No, it is no longer a modern car. My A4 would run circles around it, and that is nothing more than a average family sedan. To me, it is just something I never lost the desire to own. Comparing a quattro now to say an EVO would be like putting Muhammad Ali in the ring today against Ruslan Chagaev; it would be pathetic. To me it is about context. Keep in mind your are talking about 1/5th of the entire development time of the automobile separating the two. No, the magic is still there for me because I put it in context. Kind of like the 1929 Model A my dad had which I drove around quite a bit. True, it's not a Ford Focus, but in it's day, it helped pave the way to creating the Focus.

assume they got owned in some fashion.

I've been using it as a guide when restoring my car.

Just wanted to respond to a couple of the posts about the Black 83 urq.
Car is still in pristine condition. It is driven by current - second owner after passing through hands of KAR only enough to keep the car running well and seals good. Is currently shown at car shows and driven at events associated with those shows.
Car was purchased in 1982 in Denver for the original owners second home in Vail. Rarely driven and as such is a time capsule. Underhood is as it came from factory - even the gold anodized piping is still gold.
Current owner has plenty of other cars to drive including a second 83 urq that 2bennett built with engine, brake and suspension mods and euro bumpers/lights. Very quick and reliable.

With regards to a time capsule cars value. A car is only new once. Although they can be restored to "like new" condition with lots of money they still aren't the same as new. The collector car market usually values unmolested "survivors" like the '83 urq as the cost to restore a car to it's condition - plus a multiple more because even a high dollar restoration will never be done equal to the original.

So the answer to a question of any car's worth is kind of like anything else - it's worth what someone will pay for it.

Hmmm...Dean Treadway??

I bought a new A6tt in '01 for $48k and drove it. Interestingly enough that doesn't seem to surprise anyone. I've spent an insane amount of money restoring/updating my '83 urq. Am I going to drive it? Yes, I am. As much as possible.


I hope that whoever ended up with it keeps it as a time capsule and just runs it enough to keep everything operating. It would be a shame to drive it now.

Word is that Audi Tradition had some interest in it.

Apples to oranges. A highly modified ur quattro is not comparable to an original, low mileage ur quattro, just as you can't compare a mint original 10k mile '70 Hemi 'Cuda to another '70 Cuda built from parts that has modern suspension, big brakes, nitrous and a 5 speed. Which is more fun to drive? The modernized car. Which is worth more? The original, no questions.

I am glad to hear that the car went to a good owner who will hopefully keep it all original. There was talk when it was still here in CO of someone buying it and then updating it. I am SO glad that did not happen. The new owner has both something fun to drive in his highly modified car, as well as this time capsule car. Best of both worlds.


I bought a new A6tt in '01 for $48k and drove it. Interestingly enough that doesn't seem to surprise anyone. I've spent an insane amount of money restoring/updating my '83 urq. Am I going to drive it? Yes, I am. As much as possible.

I like looking at completely original cars as much as the next guy, but ultimately cars were meant to be driven. Would I like to take a look at the 8,300 mile car, Sure you bet. Would I care about owning it? No.

Its only worth what someone will pay for it, so that apples to oranges comparison also applies to the owners.
When my '83 urq with an RS2'ed 3b is complete, it will be worth more to me than that KARquattro car.

Apples to oranges. A highly modified ur quattro is not comparable to an original, low mileage ur quattro, just as you can't compare a mint original 10k mile '70 Hemi 'Cuda to another '70 Cuda built from parts that has modern suspension, big brakes, nitrous and a 5 speed. Which is more fun to drive? The modernized car. Which is worth more? The original, no questions.

I am glad to hear that the car went to a good owner who will hopefully keep it all original. There was talk when it was still here in CO of someone buying it and then updating it. I am SO glad that did not happen. The new owner has both something fun to drive in his highly modified car, as well as this time capsule car. Best of both worlds.

I like looking at completely original cars as much as the next guy, but ultimately cars were meant to be driven. Would I like to take a look at the 8,300 mile car, Sure you bet. Would I care about owning it? No.

Its only worth what someone will pay for it, so that apples to oranges comparison also applies to the owners.
When my '83 urq with an RS2'ed 3b is complete, it will be worth more to me than that KARquattro car.

Ditto. I would also much rather have a car that I can drive - not like I can drive mine either though. That said, if I had had the space and money for a collector car, I would have bought it when it was still for sale out here relatively cheap. I should have bought it on speculation like Kent Anderson did.

I'm right here! Oh you said KARquattro my bad. I haven't talked to Kent in years, was on a plane to buy Canadian titled red 1986 he had for sale back in '02. bought my black one instead from a guy two towns away from me.