Inskip Audi and Audi World are holding an event together. We are inviting many many vendors and will have a registration for those who are coming. Space is filling up fast and I would urge you all to make the weekend trip to come out and see the huge event.

here is a list of just a few vendors that have been invited.
> STaSIS Engineering
> AWE
> Swift Motor Sports
Just to Name a few!!!

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that you might have checked to see what else was going on the same weekend.

Odd too, that AudiWorld is teaming up with this show and they DO know about the Carlisle show. They even loaned us a banner for our tent and run Morgan's story and pictures on their home page after the event.

However, since it seems that it's mostly us "old school" Audi owners and not the yuppie crowd, they have cast us to the side just like Audi Corporate. Shame on them, their plan seems to be get rid of the Urq and it's follower's and bring on the new money crowd.

A word to the wise though, what you buy today from Audi will most likely be cast away in 15 - 20 years as we were.

Just my .02

Better parts support and the urq could have taken off. Higher auction prices and excitement for the marque.

Funny thing is, I can get all sorts of stuff for my TR6 (and MG probably too). If it's not available from original tooling, then repo parts are made in Asia.

No problems getting all sorts of bits, and parts pricing is very reasonable (Repro body shells are even being made!). And unlike the urq, the original TR6 mfg isn't even in business any more!

To be fair, I suppose there were a lot more Triumph and MGB cars sold (are probably still running) that there were urq's originally sold in North America.

Still, after driving (and working on) a TR6 and a urq, it clearly *obvious* which is the better car (for those wondering, urq). Yet 'ok' shape TR6's will sell for waht a well tken care of urq will go for...

On the other hand, english sports cars *are* kind of fun to drive, If limited to once in a while, and if you don't have to fix them yourself...!

:-)

Pissed off urq types tend to tell yuppies and loaded $$$ co-workers to buy a new Bimmer, Benz, Porsche, and possibly even a Volvo - unless you're leasing for just 39 months. If you're selling a car for over $50K - it shouldn't be considered disposible. Things like diff seals should be availalbe for your baby - otherwise you are just not a car company for enthusiasts. Is Audi more like Oldsmobile than BMW?
So Audi is building hostility instead of loyalty. They are a company for the bean counters and not the enthusiasts.
Isn't the guy that buys a R8 for 100K a jerk compared to the guy that puts 100K into a Porsche? Porsche will have parts available, unless they change their way of doing business.
Supercoupe was saying some of this - I just expanded.

The company as a whole is so focused on the future (with the exception of the Audi Heritage), that I think their goal is to keep everyone focused on where they are, and where they are going rather than supporting those of us who bought into their ethos a quarter of a century ago. However, they are most certainly doing themselves harm. Don't get me wrong, I love my UrQ, but I do daydream of having an Alfa GTV again. That's a car whose manufacturer hasn't even sold cars in the U.S. for decades, but parts for that are not a problem either. What if Audi recieved a plea from all the UrQ organisations internationally as one strong voice? I think with some co-ordination it could be possible. The questions are; would they respond and are they even capable of offering much for these cars anymore? There has got to be a key to this locked door somewhere.

It's funny how Mercedes, BMW, and a few others support their older cars and keep their heritage alive.

If you really check, there is always "something else" going on. The time of year was chosen to give a good separation from Waterfest. We needed it late enough for warmer weather, not on Mother's Day, not on Memorial Day. Hence the chosen date.

I would love to have the "Old School" Audi crowd there in full force. What makes you think that "Carlisle" is the way to go? Try something new. Get a group and come on up to our event. It is not about new "yuppies". It is about being an Audi exclusive event. ALL Audis, new and old!!!! From this Audi owners viewpoint, it is the classic Audi owners that tend to separate themselves from the new owners, not the other way around.

So come on up, and join the fun. I would love for TONS of classic Audis to be there.

Vijay Gandevia
Chief Event Coordinator
2008 Northeast Audi Spring Bash

Carlisle is very different type of show taking on all comers. If you've already done the Carlisle thing, why not try something different in an Audi exclusive event? You might even like it.

First of all, I commend the introduction of more Audi related events, lets get that out there. Ive been to alot of events in the past, Waterfest 2003 included.
Carlisle was a good fit because of its location, as we have people from all over joining us (AZ, GA, OK, etc). PA surely isnt central America, but its close enough to warrant people from those states coming. Add to that the fact that its a fairground setting, nice and well kept, plus we can stay up all night and do what we want since our sleeping quarters are a short walking distance away.

I had a problem with Waterfest since it was on a hot silly asphalt parking lot, as have some other car shows. This is how alot of shows are and I generally dont mind, WF was just my least favorite in that aspect.

Carlisle has grown every year and we have some fantastic supporters who look forward to the following year the day after the event is over. That says alot about an event when you get that reaction.

"From this Audi owners viewpoint, it is the classic Audi owners that tend to separate themselves from the new owners, not the other way around."

Big time disagreement.

Newer Audi owner- "Whats that? Looks like a Scirocco".
Urq owner- "It's an Audi quattro. 1985"
Newer Audi owner-"I thought the first Quattros were in 1995 with the A4"
Typical gas station conversation. I've even had that scenario with Audi dealer parts counters!

Carlisle is not an unknown event. Over the years it has consistently been growing and picking up momentum. This is due to the tremendous and heroic effort of a number of AudiWorld members, none more so than Morgan. It is a community event and attempts to draw together all Audi enthusiasts. It also provides a venue that has other draws for spouses and other family members. There are many attractions which are not Audi specific too.

There is a tremendous effort to make this event larger every year and it has been highly succesful doing this due to the support from all involved. It would be detrimental to the event and the progress made in trying to turn this into the premiwer audi event of the year by scheduling a conflicting event at the same time. There are very few Audi specific events like this during the year, there certainly were other options.


It would have been much better to have considered Carlisle before schduling a competing event.

I'm going to Carlisle, hands down.

In 2001 at the Audi dealer parts counter here in town.

Me: I need an oil filter for my 1990 Audi 90
Parts: We don't carry them.
Me: What?
Parts: We don't carry parts for those.
Me: Why not?
Parts: It's too old, we don't carry parts for anything older than 1996
Me: But it's an Audi!
Parts: Well not really, it's too old.

Our local Audi club wanted to have them let us use their unused side lot for a summer GTG cruise and they turned us down. They weren't interested.

Birthday's, graduations, summer vacations. But other than WaterFest there were no other similar events that would draw the number of Audi's that Carlsile does.

Carlisle is not a big secret.

Instead of trying to compete, wht not work to make both events better and succeed?

You are right in one regard. Carlisle was not a consideration. Didn't even enter our minds. We really only looked at other Audi, Audi/VW events, or Audi/Porsche events as potential conflicts. While Carlisle is a big event, it is a general car show.

The date had to meet several goals:

1. Time seperation from Waterfest to not create a conflict for vendors and participants.

2. Late enough in the spring for warmer weather

3. Not on Mother's Day or Memorial Day

4. Had to meet the scheduling needs of the organizers, hosting dealership, and vendors (many of whom are involved in racing programs)

As such, this became the most appropriate date. Carlisle is just a car show, not a religious experience or something. It just seems that many classic Audi owners have gravitatated to using this event as an annual gathering of sorts. That's fine. Enjoy it if that's what you want to do. In the end, this is all about having fun.

I realize you may have had your visions about how the Audi contingent at Carlisle would grow and grow. When I organized the initial Northeast Audi Summer Events from 2000-2002, they were, hands down, the biggest Audi events in the country. Guess what......Waterfest surpassed our show. We stopped producing the show for a whole variety of reasons and Waterfest continued to grow. That's just the nature of things. There is no bitterness on my part about this. I have come to enjoy Waterfest in its own sleazy, trashy way.

It's all about fun. You almost sound like you feel threatened by the presence of our show. Don't be. I certainly don't feel threatened by the presence of this seemingly mystical Carlisle thing. I am supremely confident in our ability to put on a world class event that any Audi enthusiast would have fun attending.

Go to whichever event you think you will have the most fun at.

but some people are truly ignorant. They just need to be educated. There is a simple reality however, that Audi took off in popularity with the introduction of the B5 platform. It is natural for many people to gravitate to this point in time. It was a rennasaince(sp?) for the company.

So much bitterness here! Wow. I am truly surprised.

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Vijay,
I have to disagree with your reasoning there - while it is true that there's always a car show on in the summer (and spring and fall for the die hards), Audiworld was involved with the Carlisle GTG (as others have pointed out). You're telling me that when the date was brought up nobody from AW said, "Hey, wait, isn't there a meet in Carlisle then?" If they didn't, shame on them.
I am the Chairman of the DKW Club of America (if you're unsure what a DKW is, maybe you should consult Audi's A History of Progress). We were honoured in early 2005 to be asked to attend the Carlisle show as a part of the "Audi Mobile Museum", along with the NSU Enthusiasts USA. It was the ideal venue to show my DKW and represent my Club that brought me to Carlisle in 2005, and it is the people as much as the cars that have made me look forward to towing my old car for 9 hours (one way) from Canada to attend the show every year since. The people that attend Carlisle are for the most part the true Audi enthusiasts - they wax poetically over the new products that Audi makes, but are truly interested in the products that made Audi what it is today. You say that you would love to have classic Audis at the Inskip event(let's call it what it is), yet neither you nor STaSISnRI has posted in the Vintage Audi group....let alone contacted the DKW Club and (I'm sure) the NSUEUSA. It's obvious that your statement is a reflection of the lack of understanding of what the four rings represent. The DKW Club will continue to attend the Carlisle event, and will continue to promote it over all the other "something elses" going on that weekend.
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Attend whichever one will be the most enjoyable for you. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. Of course I am going to promote the event that I am helping to produce!!!! From the sound of it, my 2007 RS4 would be looked down upon if I brought it to Carlisle anyway since it isn't a "true Audi"

I'm done here. You guys are WAY too narrow minded for me.

I guess you only skim read what you reply to. (I'm sure I'm talking to myself...but I like hearing my own inner voice.....so....)
Read:
"....true Audi enthusiasts - they wax poetically over the new products that Audi makes..."...uh...that means that they like the new products.
If you showed up with your RS4 (...or a TT...or an S4....an R8....heck, even an Audi Pedal Car) we'd ooh and aaah over it for the beautiful piece of machinery that it is. I don't follow what you mean by a "true Audi" either - Auto Union was owned by Mercedes Benz when my DKW was made and I have NEVER had anybody saying that it didn't belong in the show.
Since Sunday is a fairly quiet day, I hope that maybe next year you'll be free to take the short trip up to Carlisle and see why it's such a great event....and why we were so affronted by the fact Audiworld was supporting a different show on the same weekend.
Cheers!
(oh, and just so you don't get all huffy about the Pedal Car Comment:
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Yes, it's a real pedal car.

I'm sitting at home with a 102 degree fever and the flu so I may not be totally paying attention to everything people are saying or what I am replying. Of course that's the only reason I have time for all this chatter in the first place!!!!

I probably am skimming. I'm actually sitting home sick with a 102 degree fever which is the only reason I have time for all this chatter in the first place. Anyway, do what you want. I need to go get some more tylenol.

Seriously, if you could make Carlisle next year you should - and I'm sure there'd be more AW'ers that would make the show at Inskip if it was on any other weekend....the crew there loves to par-tay!
Cheers!

I went to one of these meets at Danvers? I thought it was great! Saw a lot of nice cars. I had my 4kq there, no urq then.
I would probably go again, but Carlilse would be my choice.

I'd like to go to both events, but have to choose only one as does everyone else. Some will choose your show and some will choose Carlisle, no one can choose both.

I'm sure both will be great events.

do our very best to put on the highest quality shows of any mark. All 27 employees here at Carlisle understand, that no matter how much money or effort we put into a show, it is irrelevant without the support of people like Morgan, serf2k, squidix9, etc.

One thing that we have to keep in mind is that AudiWorld is not in the show promotion business. They are here to support the hobby and not to choose shows or sides. AudiWorld has been very good to us as a company and also me personally, so we should all keep this in mind.

As far as the "Audi Spring Bash" being on the same date as Carlisle, I would have to assume that it was just an oversight on Vijay's part. Do you realize how many Corvette Shows are on the same date as "Corvette's at Carlisle" and we are still the largest in the country. Vijay if you would like to know our 2009 date, you can find it on our new site at http://www.carlisleevents.com/ce/events/index.asp.

Until this post I always thought an Audi guy or girl was just that. That is one great thing about the show here at Carlisle we have such a large mix and everyone gets along great. I would love to own a DKW or NSU, but as many of you know I do own a Ur-quattro and an S8 and a few Audi's in between and I love everyone of them. In fact, I had a hard time sleeping last night because I picked up the Ur Valvoline #40 race car from the paint shop yesterday. The graphics are being put on today and tomorrow. I will post a few pics after I pick it up.

As always if you guys need anything from me just let me know. Thanks for the support.

Bill III
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Your statement:

"Odd too, that AudiWorld is teaming up with this show and they DO know about the Carlisle show. They even loaned us a banner for our tent and run Morgan's story and pictures on their home page after the event"

Not odd. Audiworld has always been an integral part of the Northeast show since its inception in 1999, long before it had any kind of real ( if any) involvement with Carlisle. They have also had a major presence at every Audi event I have been involved with. They are there to promote and support the entire Audi community, but there is a bit of history here in it's affiliation with this event.

Honestly, didn't mean to belittle or compete with the Carlisle show whatsoever. It was just never a consideration. It is a great show. However, compared to a lot of other brands, let's face it, the Audi contingent is miniscule. It is also several hundred miles away.

The truth is that I have been to Carlisle, three times in my life but I have to be honest....Audi was barely noticeable. I don't remember, however, about how the various show categories were organized in the years I may have gone.

It is specifically because of the relatively small Audi contingent at this event that I really didn't consider it a conflict at all. Compare it to the 540 Audis we had at the biggest Northeast Event in 2001, or the 1000+ vehicles at Waterfest. Even the 2003 Northeast event, which was the last of kind, which was just 2 weeks post Waterfest and a hindered by days of rain which persisted until half way through the show had over 200 Audis come through the gates.

Anyway, no foul intended here. Have fun at Carlisle, but I do wish to offer everyone this:

If the weather in carlisle calls for rain, consider our show as an alternatively for the simple reason that much of it will be housed indoors.

The scheduling of the Spring Bash did not consider the Carlisle event whatsoever. It didn't even enter our minds. Firstly, the Carlisle events are a whole series. Many who are coming to the Spring Bash might have also been interested in the previous weeks event of "customized" vehicles and would have had a conflict on that weekend.

Secondly, let's face it, Audi is a minor presence at this show. We are producing a show that is exclusively Audi. No way I would have scheduled our show if Carlisle had historically been a major Audi event like Waterfest, for example. As far as Audiworld goes, you are correct. They are there to promote a hobby, but they have been affiliated in some capacity with the Northeast Event Series ever since they began in 1999, so there is some history here.

Anyway, no foul intended here. It does seem to be a plain fact that many of the Old School Audi crowd are gravitating more to Carlisle and many newer owners towards the Spring Bash. Funny, until this post, I too, thought that any Audi guy or girl was just that which is why I wanted (and still want) all varieties of Audis to be part of our show.

There is also the simple fact that Audi is huge in New England, moreso than any other part of the country, and the Carlisle show is several hundred miles away.

Finally, as I'm sure you know, MANY factors go into scheduling, (especially when you are trying to invite major tuning companies who have racing schedules)

Anyway, that's it for me. This topic has been beaten to death I think!!!!

I guess the whole Audis-only show versus an broader show which accomodates all marques is whether (from a sponsor's viewpoint) if you want to preach to the choir or grow the congregation. The cars that you see at Carlisle are rarities from all over the map - and the people that attend appreciate the cars for their different approaches in getting the occupants and cargo from A to B. The attendees walk the grounds and see some cars that attend a select few shows a season - and in many cases come a long way to Carlisle.
I suppose the reason that Vijay rubs so many of the "Carlisle GTG" folk the wrong way is statements like, "the scheduling of the Spring Bash did not consider the Carlisle event whatsoever. It didn't even enter our minds." and "Audi is a minor presence at this show", all the while saying that he's not bashing the show. I realize that there are innumerable car shows during the decent spring/summer/fall weather (locally, if I wanted to I could attend one every day of the week and multiple over the weekend) but surely there is another weekend that doesn't have a group of enthusiasts (especially Audiworlders) from the northeast...and parts beyond...busting their humps to build a show (even if it IS a part of a larger show)? Surely if the Inskip event was held at any other time, and hopefully it will next year, both shows would benefit.
Cheers!

the negativity in this post certainly did not come from anyone that attends Carlisle. See you guys soon.

Im a founder of Texas Audi Group. A Lifetime Member of the Audi Club North America. I own a few Audis that some people would say are cool. Ive been to Carlisle and I've been to even more Audi only shows.

I saw more interesting cars in 10 minutes at Carlisle than I'd likely see in 10 hours at any new Audi show. How much possible variation can a new Audi show have when the oldest car there is circa 2000 or maybe, just maybe an early 1997 A4. You complain about the Audi Attendance at Carlisle, but plan an event in the same weekend within driving distance of it. I drove over 1500 miles each way to attend the Carlisle show and I'd do it again.

The Audi attendance at Carlisle is moved along each year by a diligent bunch of Audi owners who own both new and old cars. They motivate people to come out to the Carlisle meet for comraderie and friends, not for commercial gain. Now obviously you're also an Audi Enthusiast with a cool RS4. Salut!

I'm in Texas, I'm pretty sure the Audi guys (both new and old school) who go to Carlisle each year come from all over New England and the Eastern Midwest. So, whether you intentionnally, unintentionally or simply overlooked this fact, you're kinda stepping on some toes. I think you'll find that in the old-school community loyatly lies with other old-school owners first and Audi as a Brand Second.

Audi as a Company has left us high and Dry too often. In my own situation, not able to get basic parts for my cars at their parts deck and yet being asked to exhibit them in their showrooms.

We rage and bleed Audi all day fri, sat, and sunday morning. We stay up and party the latest and bring the best games along with cooking out the entire weekend.

As you can see in the pics our 2 rows are so long you can't even get them in a single pic. You can also see new audis mixed with the classic cars.
Having your event on the same weekend saddens me, now were taking away from both events. If you didn't know, Dubs on the Lake is the same weekend also. Totally piss poor planning for a new event.

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Audi is a major presence at the show. Morgan or Bill can give you the numbers, but Audi consistently is one of the top marques at the event. And with the support of many people continues to grow every year.

This is becoming and has become to many marques the premier event for the year. Two years ago the Opel folks used it for their large get together. Last year the Saab gathering was phenominal. Through the effort of many we have been trying to grow this event to be such and event for the Audi marque. This year there will be more Austin Healey Sprites than you can imagine with it being a gathering for them.

This has been no secret. We've been pushing this event since last year. On Monday May 19th we will begin promoting it for next year. We'd certainly like to get the support from everyone. It's not an event just for newer or older Audi's. It's for all of them. I have a number of Audi's both old and new and to me that's irrelevant. It's a wonderful event, at a superb venue that attracts some really great people.

Bill Miller
Bill3@CarlisleEvents.com

I will send you the new pics of the Valvoline car !

Let us know how it compares to Carlisle (and if the oldskool Audis are *really* welcome!)

It sounds like an interesting event, but unfortunate that it landed on the same weekend as Carlisle..

yearly, so we're beating other car clubs for as far as participation goes. Our presence is increasing yearly as the word spreads! The more the merrier. I'm sure we'll have at least 40 more jump on at the end...and those are only the number of people who emailed me. More register and show up with us that I don't know about. :)

Articles:

<a href="http://www.audiworld.com/news/07/carlisle/">2007 here:</a>

<a href="http://www.audiworld.com/news/06/carlisle/">2006 here:</a>

<a href="http://www.audiworld.com/news/05/carlisle/">2005 here:</a>

<a href="http://www.audiworld.com/news/04/carlisle/">2004 here:</a>

--morgan