View Full Version : Check engine lights: oil weights and Throttle position.


JayP
11-13-1998, 04:20 AM
Last night I had the computer checked as the 'check engine' light popped on last week.<p>From the printout, the IDLE SPEED CONTROL THROTTLE POSITION sensor was wigging out. What causes this?<br>Evidently if you fire the engine up with you foot on the throttle, it thinks that position is ZERO and any position less than point reads a negative values... and a light pops on. (The NewBeetles are vrey prone to this.)<br>The fix is to shut the car off, turn the key to the to the "ACC" position for about 10 seconds and let the computer reset.<p>My tech, Greg, said he had several cars come in for 'check engine' lights... the reason?? The cars have 20/50 weight and the cold snap caused the oil to be a little too thick. I don't know the specifics, but the cure is to run a lighter oil in the cooler months.<br>The shop uses 20/50, I bring in my own synthetic 20/50...<p>btw- disregard the top error on the printout.<ul><li><a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~palmerj/">My poor ol' un-updated web site.</a></li></ul>

donp
11-13-1998, 05:10 AM
The ecu watches crankshaft acceleration for misfire detection as required by OBDII specs. I was told if the oil is too thick the ecu can sometimes misread this drop in crank acceleration as a small misfire when it's really the oil "dragging it down".<p>Sounds far fetched... I guess the DTC would confirm this though.<br>

Dave M
11-13-1998, 06:14 AM
Jay, I'm surprised to see only one of those errors on the printout!<p>Anyway, the oil note is interesting. This just confirms what I was thinking about when I switched to Mobil 1 15w-50 synthetic at my first oil change. During a cold snap last year (yes, it occasionally gets chilly here in Dallas), I noticed that the engine was much slower to crank and turn over. I attributed this to the cold, thick oil, and if that was true not much oil was getting to the cams and turbo very quickly. I had my first service a week or so later and had them put in the Mobil 1. It immediately felt like I was running a lighter weight oil (even though it was 15w-50) and during the next cold snap that occurred the engine cranked and started as though it was the middle of summer. Just one benfit of many over conventional oil...

JayP
11-13-1998, 06:14 AM
Maybe I can muddle this a little more-<br>The 5 valve heads have weak valve springs and somehow this causes the valves to move a little slower into the seats. This causes the computer to retard the timing.<p>Anywhoo, the result is a light and probably fouled plugs.

Doug G
11-13-1998, 12:39 PM

Gene E
11-13-1998, 04:54 PM
I live in Dallas as well and will be using Mobil 1 with my first service next month. Now I know what weight oil to use.<p>Gene<br>98.5 2.8