First let me start out by saying by no means do I think my car is fast. I've owned a lot of faster cars. I just finished working on the heads on my friends 1999 Corvette, he wanted to go, so I figured I would run my car. I just thought anyone is curious what their similar setup runs, well here you go.

1998.5 Audi A4 2.8 Quattro Tiptronic Wett Chip & Stebro Cat-Back exhaust.

First Run - Trans in Auto mode
60' 2.557 sec
330' 7.170 sec
1/8 10.905 sec 66.69 MPH
1000 14.102 sec
1/4 16.797 sec 83.99 MPH

Second Run - Trans in Tip 5000RPM shift
60' 2.614 sec
330' 7.226 sec
1/8 10.944 sec 67.23 MPH
1000 14.095 sec
1/4 16.773 sec 84.69 MPH

This third run I got to run against a car that was more my speed, instead of a crazy fast mustang and a even faster grand national the second run. This third run I ran against one of the new Mercury Cougars with V6. This was my happiest run of the night since I finally got to win.

Third Run - Trans in Auto mode
60' 2.602 sec
330' 7.244 sec
1/8 10.985 sec 66.68 MPH
1000 14.172 sec
1/4 16.875 sec 83.96 MPH

The Cougar ran the quarter in 17.322 at 80.22MPH. I had him the whole time but most of the 1/4 I could see him out of the corner of my eye. I really started to pull on him at the end, his engine seemed to be running out of juice.

Well at least I got to win a race.

Happy tuning!

Brad

A4 V6: 5-speed automatic (quattro)
Engine: 2.8 liter, 30 valve
Horsepower: 190 @ 6000
Torque: 207 @ 3200

Acceleration:
0-60 mph in 10.0 sec.
1/4-mile in 17.4 sec.

Top Speed: 120 mph

So I would say my mods gave me another 0.7 sec in the 1/4 mile. So anyone thinking about chip and exhaust. This is what you can expect on the autotrans 2.8 30v.
I think that is a reasonable increase power to drop my E/T 0.7 sec. Just be aware you anren't going to get the performance gains all these turbo people are talking about.
If your looking for speed don't get the Auto trans either, from what I know the auto adds another 1+ secs to the zero to 60 time. It's pretty sad.

Brad

Hey Brad,

I'm just asking because I'm surprised that the 2.8 30v would be that slow. I've only test driven the 2.8 engine, but it felt a lot faster than a stock 1.8t. However, your 30v with a chip and exhaust only ran just under a second faster than my 1.8t Tiptronic when it was not chipped. But maybe that's just it. Maybe the 30v V6 just FEELS faster 'cause it's such a smooth engine.

Still, there's a 40hp difference between the 30v and the 1.8t. I Garretted my 1.8t (45? more hp?) and it cut nearly two seconds off my 1/4 mile time. Is it the weight of the 2.8?

I know my car is not similar to yours, but here's a link to my <a href="http://home.mdi.ca/james561/test.html" target="_new">timelsips</a> on my website if you want to check it out.

One question. How did you get the Tip to upshift at 5000 rpm under full throttle? My Tiptronic won't let me shift under WOT. Did you jump off the throttle when you shift then jump back on it again?

Thanks.


James Wu
<a href="http://vancouver.a4.org" target="_top">Vancouver A4 Club</a>
1998 Black/Onyx 1.8tqa

<a href="http://home.mdi.ca/james561" target="_top">James' Audi A4 Page</a>

About 1.1 sec on everyone of my runs. I know that is really BAD...

Question?

Does my timer start when the tree hits green or when I leave the box. I was told my timer starts when I leave the box, so my reaction time would not have mattered. My third run I had a R/T of 0.6sec and that was my slowest run of the night.

Tip: Well I learned something from you. I noticed that when I was shifting the tip, it was not shifting when I was telling it to. I thought something was wrong, but I guess the tip switches to auto under WOT. Can't explain, but that was my best run of the night...

Brad

it would be really bad if you blew an engine or stalled in an automatic car just because you accidently had it in Tip mode. This is more for those people who have no idea about manual transmission cars. You don't want them to have these "problems", so the safety features are there.

Not sure if this is what you are talking about, but it's similar

If you have the car in tip mode and your under full thottle and you try to shift the car to the next gear 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5. It will not shift. I was going down the track and was trying to up-shift at 5000RPM. The car would not shift when I wanted it too, the RPM's kept climbing until redline and then shift. I guess when your under full thottle, the computer takes everything over. I even hit the shift gate up twice trying to get it into the next gear and it wouldn't respond to my commands. I was not trying to downshift!

Brad

Audi says 2000 2.8Q runs the quarter in 16.9, so you seem just about right.

Where the car gets in trouble is right at the beginning. A 2.6 60 foot time seems a little slow. I'd have liked to see better with all the traction available. How did you start? The proper technique would be to give full throttle while braking then release the brake. With quattro, you should have taken off with no wheelspin and had a good 60 foot time...I'd guess around 2.3. Maybe the gearing is too high (numerically low) for good out-of-the-hole performance.

The timing starts when the car actually moves out of the timing beam. You could wait any amount of time after the light turns green and it would not matter to your elapsed times.

My 67 Corvette runs 13.1 @ 109 but an A4 1.8t would kill it on a road course.

A4 Quattro tip 0-60 is more like 8.6 I believe; quarter around 16.7; and top of 130 (governed) -- 148 (ungoverned).

Yes, I know you're not saying your car's fast; unfortunately, this just sucks, however. Heck, that's what a 4-cyl., 138HP BMW 318 w/manual transmission would run the quarter in.

Shifting earlier only pays off in the 1.8T because the boost falls off so rapidly at high engine RPM's.

For APR 1.0 bar equipped, so if you are running about 205 to 210 crank hp with your setttings, A4ALLAN's is probably at least 15 to 20hp above that.

What was the temp that day?

Also, when you shift at 5000, what is the rpm that the tranny actually shifts (because of the roughly 1 sec delay)? In other words, do you trigger shift lever (upshift) at 5000rpm, or do you actually shift earlier and the transmission actually shifts at 5000 rpm? Because IMO, you should target the tranny to shift at 5600-5800 rpm to get the most out of it. Which means, trigger shift lever early at say 5000 and let the built in delay actually shift at 5600 or so. In 2nd to 3rd, may have to do it closer as in trigger shift lever at 5400 and let tranny shift at 5800.

I'm not saying one is more accurate than the other, but I can assure the times are different.

By the way, there was a Camry at the strip and he was getting mid 17's, so no I would not get beat by a Camry!

*******!!!

Try to post something useful for people trying to determine if they want to chip a 30v or not, and you got to make a dumb**** comment like that!

At least under 80MPH it would, and after that there's only a few MPH before the 1/4 mi. is over. By the way, where did you pick up that kind of attitude in my post. I just said it sucked (not that you sucked) that you would spend money to mod your car and for it to still not be fast -- unfortunately this is Audi's problem with its 30v V6 (w/deadspot between 4000-4700 & lack of torque below 2500) and torque-killing automatic transmission (which at least is being improved slightly for 2000). What altitude are you at, also? Elevation begins to affect performance at about 1000 feet, can be significant at 3000 feet, extreme at 5000 feet and downright ridiculous at 8000 feet or so. A very hot day will also affect performance as well, but generally not nearly as much as altitude.

..at my post. Because if you do, I can make nasty comments about your comparison too.

But what I was trying to say is that 1.0bar 1.8T's are just way faster than 2.8's your and mine, and the only way to compete is with a PES which unfortunately mine cannot have as it is a 12V.

The GTech will not have the same data as a 1/4mile strip. The clock starts when the lights go green and reaction time is a factor, so, you are probably running a slightly faster 1/4mile if you just used a fifth wheel as a measuring device - just as how car magazines would do it, and BTW, some use a Gtech to get numbers. Ask European Car and Motor Trend.

But one of my future plans is to get Gtech results while I am on the ¼ strip. I plan to do that next month after I install my throttle body, and that's the most I can get out of my 12V unless the chip and supercharger deal arrives.

So, chill out. Not trying to put you down.