Is it true that if you chip your AR, you can go from 250 hp to 300 hp ???

What's your experience ?

I have chipped two of the over two dozen Audis I have owned since 1978. Both were manual transmission cars.

The torque increase, not the horsepower increase, is the reason to chip -- and what you will notice the most. The chips I used have come from MTM. I have read on this forum and in European Car magazine about other chips, and they all seem very similar in their effect, even at what they call "stage one" (which is the mildest).

The torque of the 2.7 engine stock is 258 pound feet. Check the torque of the chips from APR and MTM -- you will note that the claimed torque increase is OVER 100 pound feet at stage one and, for example, with APR's 93 octane program the torque jumps from 258 to 382 (the horsepower rises from 250 to 307 or 318, but what you are buying / feeling is torque).

Here is the issue -- although the tip transmission CAN take more than the stock torque (and an allroad with the tip needs a performance boost -- more than the 6spd) -- the tip "stock" will eventually show its weakness if you "get into" the additional torque on a regular and aggressive basis. Now, what effect this will or may have on your ability to get warranty service should there be a problem -- who knows?

This, then, is a cautionary remark -- be careful if you chip your allroad -- the torque gains are very mighty indeed and may cause (MAY) premature transmission problems.

Even though the tip version of this car needs the extra performance that a chip can easily and relatively inexpensively provide, I would "be careful" with your right foot.

I am so concerned about this, since I have talked with several members of the Audi Car Club... (formerlly quattro club of America) that I would not chip an automatic.

I know that automatics are very popular, and, unfortunately I am on my fourth Auto Audi (3 with 4.2 V8's) -- but why not get a 6spd in the first place, perhaps the fact that the 6spd is a half second quicker "stock" would reduce the lust for a chip.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I do plan to chip my 03 6pd 2.7T allroad (once it gets here).

Ask for more input from people on this forum WITH autos who have chipped -- perhaps my concerns about chipping the automatics are overdone.

I appreciate your caution, but I've done a search on AW and can't find a single case of a blown tiptronic from chipping. I'm beginning (and hoping) to think that this is a very rare occurence.

This is really good to know -- as I suggested, I may have too much caution on this issue.

Perhaps Joe Hoppen, as his allroad version has some pretty hefty torque numbers would care to comment. Go over to his web site and you can either e-mail Mike Hoppen or call the company. www.hoppenmotorsport.com (or maybe it's plural).

I hope I am being overly concerned, since I see so many tiptronics. BTW, the new RS6 does have a tip and it apparently has been beefed up to handle the torque of a turbo charged 4.2 V8.

Remember, someone on this forum did mention that the tip can handle way more than the 258 pound feet of torque that the standard 2.7T cranks out. I assume it is capable of at least 300 pound feet with "no pain."

Ok, here is the lowdown on tip's....

AR 2.7L/4.2L + A6 2.7L/4.2L/S6 -- same model of tip. Good to around 380ft/lbs.

RS6/A8 W12 (euro only) -- same model of tip. Good for 540ft/lbs.

With this in mind there is NO PROBLEM going up to the 360ft/lbs region if you are not stupid about maintaining your car. Do frequent oil changes and use good synthetic oil (Audi uses Castrol Synthtec OEM labelled as there choice of oil from the 1st oil-change on). Get the car looked at on/before the appropriate service schedules. Let it warm up/cool down before/after dropping the hammer. Also drive the car properly - not every shift needs to be at 7000 RPM and full torque! Save those for the ones that matter.

The TCU chip does help as it shortens the shift and therefore the amount of time the clutches slip in the transmission. This is a big plus while you get closer to the torque rating. This shorter shift interval also reduces transmission heat loading. This module is a good deal even with a box stock engine. AoA can NOT determine if you've used a TCU so it's a good one to do before anything else.

Hope this helps. This information comes courtesy of several Euro tuners. One of them who has already blown appart a tip on a RS6 due to overloading it to the tune of 680ft/lbs!

JW

Most car manufacturers these days try to use the same parts in as many vehicles as possible. So it makes sense that the trannys across the A6/S6 lines are the same. The only reason I want to get the ECU and Tip chips is to get passing power on the freeway. I'm not going to autocross my allroad, nor am I looking to routinely do 0-60 blasts from every stoplight. Most high performance driving on the street is done hitting the accelerator at partial boost and it's here that I'm looking for the biggest improvement from a chip. I think if we maintain the vehicle well, and change it's fluids religiously, we should all be fine.

Heck, this is the whole reason I got the 2.7T in the first place! It's so easy to get more hp out if it. Otherwise I would have had a V8.