I have been test driving many cars and like the allroad, but I don't like the idea of paying MSRP for a car...I have a BMW M3 (2001) on order that I am expecting in February 2001, but I like the allroad...What have people paid for theirs. I have priced one out and gotten several quotes ranging from $44,000 to $45,000 with the following options:
Convenience Convenience Package
Allow Upgrades-Just like the way they look
Edmund's says the Invoice is $42,000 or so.
12-21-2000, 01:41 PM
netcooper, allroads can actually be had for $41,000 if you want cloth, standard tranny, poor sound, non-metallic paint, etc., AND you'll have to special order it that way and wait several months to get it. The ones that are shipping now are nearly fully loaded (most are missing rear side air bags and navigation) and command top-dollar, especially since they're new and heve gotten good press.
To answer your question $45,000 is a *good* price and $47,000 is a *typical* price if it's loaded. Mine was the latter but I had the first one off the boat in Boston two months ago and there was no wiggle room for negotiation.
No complaints though. I'm going on 10,000 miles already and I love it.
12-21-2000, 01:50 PM
Seems to me like people are even paying MSRP on allroads, they can be hard to come by in some areas so don't expect a bargain. I got mine for over $2500 less than MSRP (49K+change),leaving the dealer about the same in profit over invoice price. Haven't seen anyone report paying less than $2000 over invoice price. So cancel the bimmer and get the allroad.
12-22-2000, 08:40 AM
In reference to your M3 order
1) production has been delayed, first cars won't be available until March at the earliest
2) I'd be surprised if you're able to get your M3 for less than MSRP
12-22-2000, 11:33 AM
Are you thinking of cancelling your new M3 order to get an allroad? If so, you are nuts. The allroad is a nice car and all, but the M3 is the ultimate.
12-22-2000, 01:04 PM
I have the M3 Ordered for MSRP with a dealer commmit of January...The first two are already in transit (no chance to preorder options, they are coming as is, fully loaded)
As far as why an allroad, is it straight a family issues...The M3 is only a two-door. I can get a good deal for the spot (noted on eBay some incredible pricing for the spots).
I just paid $1459 over invoice for one and received quotes all over the board for the same model at different dealerships. I had a bid as low as 2.5% over invoice to 10.8% over invoice and some dealers would not move off of MSRP at all. Since MSRP equals a 12% dealer profit, these guys are really trying to hose customers. I settled on a 3.4% markup because the total cost of the lease was cheaper than all dealers except for one that is 3.5 hours from me -- didn't seem worth my while to drive seven hours round drip to save $5.47/month.
I used the system that I found at www.fightingchance.com which involves faxing the sales managers at different dealerships, telling them exactly what you want and listing the invoice and MSRP. This process ended up saving me $2862 on the selling price and $4023 over the life of the lease if I had only tried to negotiate where I test drove the car (this is the dealer that wanted a 10.8% profit). I have to drive 1 mile further for this deal (21 miles vs. 20 miles), but, hey, its worth it!
I highly recommend spending $24 for the package from Fighting Chance.
12-29-2000, 05:56 AM
The problem with using Carpoint or Autobytel or these other services is the dealer pays for the right to be the exclusive dealer in the area. You aren't going to get the best deal if you only use this service because the dealer is not competing against anyone. If you want to get a good price, you have to get the dealerships bidding against each other. For more info, check out www.fightingchance.com
Great advice that will save you money (it saved me a alot of dough-ray-mee).