View Full Version : 6 speed vs tiptronic rerun
12-19-2000, 01:47 PM
I have my allroad all speced out but can't deside on which tranny? I live in a rural area of Maryland and travel to D.C. and New England often but city trafic is no a major concern.Love the 6 speed but the tip is pretty neet and may have better resale.Need to finalize my order and any input would be welcomed.
12-19-2000, 03:24 PM
I debated this for a long time. I bought the tip and now love it. Weather here in Minnesota has really sucked lately and the tip has been awesome. First time I have actually smiled in a while even though I was stuck in traffic. I swear it is much more responsive than with the normal A6 2.7T. I think the final drive gearing helps is a bunch!
I try to buy what I like and not worry too much about resale. To be honest, I was very concerned though about unloading a manual allroad. Do the math and you will see what I mean. Audi assumes there will be 2500 allroads built for the US. Of that that figure, Audi guessed 10% of them at most will be 6 spd. Well, that puts the total number of 6 spds at 250. Divide that by the number of states in the US and you have approximately 5 per state. Of course there won't be equal distribution so some will have more than others.
In my mind that is a very finite group to try and sell your car too down the road. Further complicated by the color choices as well. I could see it now, I would have bought an Atlas Gray 6 spd and down the road the only buyer interested in it would probably have wanted the black. I figured it was a real crap shoot from that perspective. If I leased it, I might have thought differently then it would have been their problem.
Bottom line for me is I love the tip. It snaps off shift very cleanly. There is one thing that you CAN'T do with the manual that is an absolute blast with the tip; get a wonderful four-wheel drift going and catch the next gear. It is a blast to turn off the ESP, start the slide in second and when you are really cruising hit the next gear. Brings a huge smile to my face every time. Of course a few inches of snow helps to pull this off. ; )
If you can, try them back to back. I traded in my 6spd 2.7T sedan and I can honestly say I don't miss it at all. The sloppy shift linkage didn't help things either. Even though I bought the UUC shifter it still wasn't exactly a joy to shift. This is the first auto car I've owned in a long time. Outside of an AWD van with its version of tip I've had manuals in my last 10 cars. One other thing if you plan on towing anything. I have found the auto's are much better coming up a boat ramp towing a boat or jet-ski. Good luck on whatever you buy.
12-19-2000, 03:42 PM
If you like to really drive and change gears then the six speed is the way to go. The tiptronic is still an automatic, you may get bored with it especially on those rural roads.
12-19-2000, 05:03 PM
People seem to think that a manual will decrease the resale value. You don't know what I have went through to find a manual wagon. In all A6/S6/100 body styles in the last 9 years there has only been 1 year till now that you can get a manual wagon. I would have galdly paid more for manual. Matter of fact to get a low milage 95 S6 Avant you would have to pay $30,000+. There is still people out here that really enjoy to drive our cars, get the stick!
12-19-2000, 05:21 PM
Here here! Two reasons I had to get rid of my lexus RX300: 1) Its a camry on stilts. 2) Its an automatic.
I hate driving automatic cars. Ugh. I like changing gear in traffic. Maybe I'm weird. But if you prefer driving stick, get stick! The resale difference will be hardly anything.
12-19-2000, 06:04 PM
But it doesn't. Very few manufacturers build a sloppier shifting manual gearbox than Audi. Maybe the old Chevy Citation was worse. If it would shift like one of my sportbikes, yea, then even driving in traffic could be fun but it doesn't. Also If you plug anything into the power port in the ashtray your hand hits it everytime you hit 5th gear.
Even try and quickly do the 1-2 shift and you can easily beat the syncros. All other factors be damned I probably would have bought a 6spd if Audi could figure out how to make it enjoyable to row your own gears. Another often over looked fact is that you don't usually lose any boost between shifts on a auto because the engine is continuously loaded as well. Turbos and automatics tend to make a great combo. Fortunately when I want to shift my own gears I can go fire up the sportbike sitting in the garage. Bottom line is I want a good performing package and the few benefits of the 6spd in performance don't outweigh its balky nature.
After putting about 12K miles on my 6spd I was less and less impressed with its shifting capabilities. Even with the UUC shifter it was still nothing to write home about. There are two things where Audi tends to blow it; they usually put sucky wheels on the cars and their manual trannies don't feel near as precise as the more sporting competition. Come on Audi, wake up. At least you didn't totally hose the allroads stock wheels but what where you thinking on the twin spokes? They are mud and snow collectors that I am sure that way more than the stock ones! We can't forget how much fun it will be to clean the brake dust as well from those suckers either.
12-20-2000, 07:18 AM
Well, it doesn't shift like a VW, and thats all I care about!
Its all a question of how used you are to the transmission, I guess. But VW trannies suck more than Audi ones
12-20-2000, 12:34 PM
That's funny - since VW's and Audi's share transmissions - with the exception of the 6 speed. VW's worst transmission to date is the 02J which was designed by Audi for the MKIV platform. In Europe - VW's six speed is the same as the Audi's and all platforms.
12-20-2000, 02:34 PM
Ok. I meant "as long as its not worse than the 02J".
If you hadn't guessed, my other car has the dreaded 02J in it. I think they designed it so it wouldn't feel too bad driving off the dealer's lot, and it would break down at around 5000 miles :(
12-21-2000, 03:03 AM
Excuse my ignorance but is a 02J tranny? Is it mannual or automatic? What cars is it in? We have a 2000 vw jetta with a 5 speed which seems to be fine and no probablems yet at 16000 miles . Am ordering an allroad and the dealer advises me both the 6 speed and tiptronic have been flawless. Although I do fear there may be a $10,000 computer controling the tip tha could fall some day.
12-21-2000, 07:49 AM
The 02J is VWs 5 speed manual tranny that is fitted in Jettas and Golfs (but not Passats or Beetles, afaik).
Its notorious for sloppy shifting, and problems going from 1st to 2nd. These, however, manifest themselves more on the VR6/1.8T models - it seems fine at lower power. Its also uses a new design of cable shift linkage which VW hasn't tried before, which a lot of people blame for why it feels like you're shifting in mud.
12-21-2000, 11:41 AM
Audi did the design on the 02J - not VW as it was released in the Audi A4 PRIOR to being put into the new MKIV Golfs, Jetta's etc. The VW rep who drove my car before having the 2nd gear syncros replaced was formerly with Audi in Europe - he seemed to know about the problem - which is also widespread in the TT.