britoki (Brian T)
09-27-1999, 10:44 PM
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Here's my review of my suspension, I put it in a couple weeks ago and got about 500 miles on it already.
My Profile - 97 1.8T QS AT. At first I didn't really want to drop my car because of worries about snow clearance. But gradually I figured I really wanted to do it. Looking primarily to cut wheel well gap, especially the annoying larger wheel gap in the front compared to the back. I am willing to sacrifice performance for better ride, since I drive an avg of 30k mi per year)
My choice - I heavily considered going with retrofitting the 98.5+ sport suspension back into mine. The sport suspension still has that front looks higher than the back look, so eventually I went with Bilstein Sports and Eibach Pro Kits. Heard lots of good things about the comfort of this combo, although I was aware of the common complaints on the board (sinking springs, maybe too soft, etc). I bought them from shox.com for something like $750 or so, I don't remember. But the front bilsteins didn't come with perches (more on this later)
my Review - I had the rears installed at perch 4, the default. Fronts, I had no choice.
After I got the suspension in, I knew I did the right thing because I got a compliment about 3 blocks away while waiting at a stop light.
I was actually surprised by the ride, it was more comfortable than I expected. But then again I'm comparing it to memories of my friends from high school who had their cars lowered with cut springs or heat treated springs (remember those days?).
Don't get me wrong, you WILL feel the road even with this combo, and some people will definitely find it annoying, but it is much better ride than I thought it was going to be. Pothole are annoying, but even worse are the temporary steel covers placed over roadwork gaps while the crews are not working (For instance, 1/2 mile west of 101 on University Avenue, Palo Alto)
Performance - Again, not one of my top concerns, and I'm not a person who knows a lot about driving at top speed. But the bilstein/eibach combo is subtle in its performance. It doesn't feel like a car on rails like one with a coilover setup, but you definitely know its there and feel far more confident going into turns. I"m sure if I knew how to drive well, it would be even better. But suddenly you find yourself wondering if you can take turns at twice the posted speed limit (not that I would try to do something like that :>)
Observation - Shox.com and Eibach and about 4 other sales people at other stores I talked to said that the drop on Eibach/Bilstein is about 1.4" front, 1.3" rear. In my case, it was actually much more than that. I took before and after measurements and it's 1.8"-1.9" lower in front, 1.7" in rear. I actually don't mind the extra drop, it just took me by surprise.
Measuring from fender to ground, it's the same at 25 3/8" on all four corners. The wheel well to fender gap is about 2 finger widths using my hand-y ruler.
But the one thing that I've noticed is that the car's angles make it look like it slopes to the front a little. (maybe it's cause I looked too closely at that front higher than the back thing). It's very subtle and I actually have to point it out to people to see what I"m talking about, so I guess it's not all that noticeable except to me. The lean forward looks BMWish rather than Cameroish, and I've seen other lowered A4's do the same so it doesn't really bother me. But the thing that makes me wonder is if the perchless Bilstein front matches up with the 3rd perch of the perched-Bilstein front (i.e. the default height for the front). If not, then it could mean that it drops the front a touch lower. It's probably in my head more than actuality, and it hasn't bothered me enough to think that there's something wrong. Just an observation.
For my next trick, I'll pay off the car so I'm modifying MY car rather than the credit union's! Seriously, maybe chip next, I think I'm the last of the chipless 97 1.8'ers.
Thanks to Jim Seamone and Steve S for help with this.
Brian T
97 1.8T QS AT Bilstein/Eibach
Here's my review of my suspension, I put it in a couple weeks ago and got about 500 miles on it already.
My Profile - 97 1.8T QS AT. At first I didn't really want to drop my car because of worries about snow clearance. But gradually I figured I really wanted to do it. Looking primarily to cut wheel well gap, especially the annoying larger wheel gap in the front compared to the back. I am willing to sacrifice performance for better ride, since I drive an avg of 30k mi per year)
My choice - I heavily considered going with retrofitting the 98.5+ sport suspension back into mine. The sport suspension still has that front looks higher than the back look, so eventually I went with Bilstein Sports and Eibach Pro Kits. Heard lots of good things about the comfort of this combo, although I was aware of the common complaints on the board (sinking springs, maybe too soft, etc). I bought them from shox.com for something like $750 or so, I don't remember. But the front bilsteins didn't come with perches (more on this later)
my Review - I had the rears installed at perch 4, the default. Fronts, I had no choice.
After I got the suspension in, I knew I did the right thing because I got a compliment about 3 blocks away while waiting at a stop light.
I was actually surprised by the ride, it was more comfortable than I expected. But then again I'm comparing it to memories of my friends from high school who had their cars lowered with cut springs or heat treated springs (remember those days?).
Don't get me wrong, you WILL feel the road even with this combo, and some people will definitely find it annoying, but it is much better ride than I thought it was going to be. Pothole are annoying, but even worse are the temporary steel covers placed over roadwork gaps while the crews are not working (For instance, 1/2 mile west of 101 on University Avenue, Palo Alto)
Performance - Again, not one of my top concerns, and I'm not a person who knows a lot about driving at top speed. But the bilstein/eibach combo is subtle in its performance. It doesn't feel like a car on rails like one with a coilover setup, but you definitely know its there and feel far more confident going into turns. I"m sure if I knew how to drive well, it would be even better. But suddenly you find yourself wondering if you can take turns at twice the posted speed limit (not that I would try to do something like that :>)
Observation - Shox.com and Eibach and about 4 other sales people at other stores I talked to said that the drop on Eibach/Bilstein is about 1.4" front, 1.3" rear. In my case, it was actually much more than that. I took before and after measurements and it's 1.8"-1.9" lower in front, 1.7" in rear. I actually don't mind the extra drop, it just took me by surprise.
Measuring from fender to ground, it's the same at 25 3/8" on all four corners. The wheel well to fender gap is about 2 finger widths using my hand-y ruler.
But the one thing that I've noticed is that the car's angles make it look like it slopes to the front a little. (maybe it's cause I looked too closely at that front higher than the back thing). It's very subtle and I actually have to point it out to people to see what I"m talking about, so I guess it's not all that noticeable except to me. The lean forward looks BMWish rather than Cameroish, and I've seen other lowered A4's do the same so it doesn't really bother me. But the thing that makes me wonder is if the perchless Bilstein front matches up with the 3rd perch of the perched-Bilstein front (i.e. the default height for the front). If not, then it could mean that it drops the front a touch lower. It's probably in my head more than actuality, and it hasn't bothered me enough to think that there's something wrong. Just an observation.
For my next trick, I'll pay off the car so I'm modifying MY car rather than the credit union's! Seriously, maybe chip next, I think I'm the last of the chipless 97 1.8'ers.
Thanks to Jim Seamone and Steve S for help with this.
Brian T
97 1.8T QS AT Bilstein/Eibach