I was looking at MJMturbos.com and saw the K04-23 (bigger than K04-15 but still direct bolt on) so i called up TJM to see if they can do tuning for it, they got back to em today and said yes. they couldnt tell em expected horsepower but it should be between their regular K04-15 setup (240 hp @ 5350 r/min and 284 lb-ft @ 3400 r/min) and the next step up wich uses a custom turbo built for dahlback by KKK (286 hp @ 5500 r/min and 304 lb-ft @ 3450 r/min) the turbo costs 995$ the bosch injectors cost 800$ and ill ahve to pay the chip re-burn one time fee of 300$ (i got the dahlback chip for 500$ because i didnt pay that fee in the first place) so for 2100$ it seems liek a pretty good option. or do you think id be better off with a more havily tuned K04-15? oh and if (when) i add a front mount i get the chip re-burnt for free, or if the program is off (by looking at dyno charts, EGTs or other readings that ill do once installed) all future re-burns will be free.
any opinions or feedback is greatly apreciated.
-Justin

blow me for that kind of money.

yeah i know 200$ a pop but thy wont do tuning with any others

Not the first time someone has tried using that turbo.

so maybe id be beter off w/ a reg K04-15?
whats the max i can get out of a K05-15? if i did injectors etc.

For the cost, why not the T28 PES set-up or something similar. I rode in a B5 with the PES kit... Yikes awesome.

Put down about 230 on a dyno dynamics machine nice and smooth, very similar torque and whp of a stock Subaru STI..

Just a thought..
Andrew

And besides the tuning has more to do with it all than the turbo. Turbo just sets the outer boundry, if you cant tune you will never get there.
Rod

as the price of the turbo isnt really worth the power output as for the price most will just choose a garrett turbo.

though i give them credit for entering their cars in and for pushing the limits as much as they can. they are definitely learning some things and from that i could see them becoming a reputable shop in the future.

Just seemed to push air with higher IAT's.

If you want my opinion. Besides, Hans D stands behind Tims stuff, isnt he reputable? They provided some HW and SW for my car. You will be happy, but since they are done right when completed then they will cost more than some tweek as you pay brands.
Just my VERY informed and extremely intellegent opinion.
Rod

Dale Carnegie's program "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

then werent you all pissed about it and proceeded to talk ****?

So there.
I have the strongest Audi 4 cylinder bl;ock in the US, I dont have those problems and now that Tim is doing some similar things on his big HP blocks his wont break either. Sometimes you have to push things. Notice that their block broke on the track and not the dyno. Wouldnt you rather have someone find limits under the worst conditions? Also major diff in their cars is torque and torque breaks parts not HP.
Anyone else putting out 500lb ft?
Rod

You might mean bottom end since we all use the same actual block. Sure TJM makes high tq but then they should since they like to run plenty of boost.

BTW facts are they made 360 tq at the wheels which is 460 tq at the crank not 500.

I do recall him 'motherfvcking' APR from his grand 'hey look at me' entrance to these boards. ... Well except when he was trying to sell the Stg III+ kit and then he was effusive as hell. That professed opinion, seemingly based on the potential for personal gain, along with his pleasant, modest, self deprecating, unbiased, warm and helpful personality, is part of what makes me discount everything he has to say.

someone who had a stg3+ grenade their motor and i thought it was you since i was talking to you about possibly purchasing it. not trying to rip on you or anything.

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914 chassied race car and Donnie has one in his widebody. IIRC Scott (SKS) is the only one who's broken his 1.8t and that was on the track in a purpose built, dedicated track car.
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You might mean bottom end since we all use the same actual block. Sure TJM makes high tq but then they should since they like to run plenty of boost.

I say:
We dont all run the same block. I run an ABA tall block with 159mm rods. It was chosen because I wanted the 2L but also wanted the better geometry (and longevity) avail from this block. You are right that I meant bottom end, but the engineer who looked at every VW and Audi block made to decide which looked best selected the ABA. It also fitted my wishes for power delivery. Docile to around 4k rpms and a monster from 4400-8000rpm. The geometry,specifically the rod ratio for this block is the best of any AUDI/VW 4 cyl blocks and much better than the stock 1.8t. The rod ratio in short has to do with the time the piston spends at TDC and has great bearing on the gas exchange and hence cylinder filling and a lot of good things. Also we machined billet maincaps into the block and made sure that the crank was on a level plane/align bored for the crank and that made sure all geometry was proper regarding the cylinder bores being on plane etc.. I posted a pic. Note the main caps have allowance to be bolted to the Girdle (I put in my sig.) which then
bolts to the block and the plate is very heavy. We also micro polished all wear surfaces and applied Mahle friction and other appropriate coatings. So the block is as stout as I can make it. I will add a dry sump and special pan at some point and the thing should be good to 7-800 hp. I did this because to get big hp from a 4 banger you got to wind it. The Audi blocks get real shaky at around 7800 rpm when applying big boost so I did everything I could to make sure I had a stable platform. My friend told me it would cost 40k$ to start this from scratch again and he wouldnt build another for that. So that is why I said what I said.

You said:
BTW facts are they made 360 tq at the wheels which is 460 tq at the crank not 500.

I say:
Those were the results from the 1.8t challenge, which was done on a replacement block without the balanced crank. In the shootout he pulled at the wheels on the K&amp;N dyno 396hp and 422 lb ft torque in 98 degree heat, 78% humidity, and at 3000ft above sea level. Also the engine is built to wind to 8700rpm and get an additional 6 lbs of boost over the last 900rpm. Tim wasnt aware of this on the 420 lb ft run and only wound to 7800rpm. I am sure more Dahlback/TJM #'s will come out soon, and they may actually use the solid lifters and wind it up. Also, I should have #'s on mine within a few months as soon as the tranny and engine get tied down a little tighter. All this info except the forgetting to wind it was in Euro Tuner mag.
Rod
Girdle pic at:

Just read all your previous posts.

i think that is what mike meant when he said that everyone uses those blocks. iirc there are others that run it as well.

360 tq on a Mustang vs 420 tq on a DynoJet. They also like to add alt adjustments for the Dynojet so it will show it at sealevel.

BTW not sure where your getting your info for the 3000 ft since K&amp;N is in Riverside which is around 1200 ft while even Palmdale is only at 2800 ft.

And how many people did the kind of engineering, custom main caps recut into block, and custom mains girdle. Not to mention that everything was blueprinted. I know some have used this block, but none have gone to the lengths necessary to make it a race piece like I have if anyone cares.

So I know where you are personally coming from, are you also an APR devotee who thinks the sun rises and sets on their products like Yapper and some others, or are you someone who just wants to learn what makes them fast and share with others?

I came onto this list to learn and share, when I found that only 5 or so had anything to share I needed, I started to share, some are making it abundantly clear that they dont want to know, which is OK. Ignorance is bliss unless you are spending your money, then Ignorance becomes a beast.

On my 1st mail I clearly outlined what people needed to do to get a HP # they selected, I got crucified altho noone could dispute a word I said. So I am just about fone posting, unless I see that it would make the weiners too happy.
Rod

your system was most informative. Posts like that are welcomed.

I think it is great that Steve is building up a Dahlback/TJM car as well. I am especially pleased that someone as pleasant and helpful as Steve will be able to speak about his set up as I find your brand of egotism particularly loathsome. It would be marginally more tolerable if it was even slightly warranted.

Hell your ego couldn't even pass up a thread about something as trivial as a friggin Gtec-Pro Competition accelerometer without your pontificating about how the AP 22 was the "world's finest" accelerometer. The AP 22 was only marginally better than the first generation Gtech Pro and even then there were several better than either of those pieces of ****.

I don't think the sun rises and sets on APR. I have acknowledged in the past that I think Hans offerings are very well put together. In terms of truly turn key set ups above the ~350 chp range he is about the only game in town. I also applaud folks who have gone off in their own direction like John and a few others.

What I object to and voice opinion on, are posts you've made that are designed expressly to denegrate any set ups that aren't from TJM. It is painfully obvious that it is your intent to diminish all others in order to promote TJM.

APR's Stage III offering, while not nearly the be all - end all, is well engineered and performs very well as an ~280hp turn key system. It performs just as well and lasts just as long as anyone else's ~280-330 chp 'kit'... Han's or anyone else's.

If you want to insist on childish variations on names I suppose I can sink to your level and start referring to you by using some play on your name but with Rod and your personality as starting points, it seems I'd have an unfair advantage.

BTW ... If you are so brilliant and such a world's authority on all things . .how come you can't even get your friggin signature preference set up properly?

turbo kits for B5 A4's. With the exception of TJM i have no real opinion on them as i do not know enough to pass any real substantive judgement. i will say that i have met the boys from TJM (@1.8t challenge) and they seem like very standup guys which i hope will reflect in their customer service. more so than that of PES or APR whose customer service (noting from my own personal experiences)is more than lacking, there is something to be said about a company that will hang up on you when you have issues with a setup that you just paid 4000 dollars or more for.

the reason that i noted that others have the ABA block is because it seemed as though you were attempting (as many do on this testosterone driven site) say that you (or more properly TJM) had done something that had never been done before or more so that your setup was superior and i was just making a correction that there are others that are very close to you (not saying that anyone setup is supeior than another as we will never know unless all of you meatheads get on the same track on the same day and have your way with one another).

As for mike if memory serves his bottom end is very very similar to yours, though i have not discussed the details about it with him in quite sometime. IIRC Dynamic Race Solutions did the hardware buildup on his engine and I would trust that they know what they are doing as well as TJM does (by no means a shot at TJM as i think highly of DRS and their capabilities).

They did the tuning.
Rod

You're the only one.

As a matter of fact Hans wasnt sure of doing it, Tim persuaded the deal to do SW for the block, Tim now does his engines similarly to mine, but without a few of the more difficult steps. His should be plenty strong enough.

But I will warn anyone taking on a project like this. It is almost like building a new engine, custom length rods, custom pistons, lots and lots of machine work and thousands of $ in coatings and polishing.
I wouldnt do it again. It will probably aways be a one of a kind unless someone wants to pay Otto 50k$ to do another, and it would take 6-8 months to get it.
Rod
Rod

gonna max out the 1.8 first though. as we all do.

and now everything else in the car will break when pushed.

hot to the touch. i cant even get my larger greddy unit to heat up with my bigger (than a k04-23) garrett turbo.

experience with the program simply heard good things about it from others on the forum who have used it.

And I am rapidly tiring of it all anyway. Getting your panties in a wad has been a hoot this year, and I wish to personally thank you for the entertainment. Have a good holiday, and I hope that no mountains explode in your vicinity until after the holidays. Latr Gatr

Had to have mine rebuilt so we increased the cc thats all. Cant complain since I have hit 434 whp even with the wrong octane level.

waving. After all, I never posted to the old S car list but I understand from a few folks on that list, that you were just as much of an egomanical tool 'over there'.
Who was your inspiration for one of your first posts here?<ul><li><a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/performance/msgs/57944.phtml">Who was your inspiration for this, early in your AW 'career', gem?</a></li></ul>

I enjoy it so shut the fick up and ignore my posts.

Why else would I keep playing on the list. My cars done, list contributed Zero. I do enjoy talking to some on the list, but they apparently have more sense than I since they seldom post.


Lest some of the less caustic listers think I am speaking badly of them, Im not, it IS mostly directed to you.

skip my posts, and then you will be free to quote to others what you have read. And it will probably have the side benefit that I will lose interest if you dont post to me and go on to something that has more meaning and less enjoyment, so we can both gain.

Does it bother you soooo much that I have more experience and knowledge about this stuff than you? And that I do instead of talk about doing?

Please read someone elses posts to get the knowledge you lack.

Rod

I think you are guility of assuming no one here was capable of giving you information. It is equally likely that folks with experience and wisdom on this forum have the same reaction to you I did when you emailed me shortly after having made your grand entrance here. You asked me for help and information. My thought was --Help that dick head? . . I don't think so.

Since telling us how great you are makes you feel better about yourself feel free to tell us again.

Sure, you have a car in a higher state of tune that you dropped in someone's lap and paid them to do. You, however, seem to never have a turned a wrench in your life, Mr. Cleanhands car nut. Everything you say is facts spewed straight from the mouth of the person you are dealing with. You seldom speak broadly enough to show that you have a theoretical understanding of tuning, rather you state specifics about your setup, rehashed from the horse's mouth as it were.

But I understand there is still the GED degree if you are truly interested in bettering yourself.

Still reading my posts I see.

At least you are still interested in learning about Audi's tho.

Dont forget I enjoy tweeking you, and I can hear the elastic on your panties twist from here. I appreciate your entertainment during the holidays. I am looking for some better material from you tho, its getting a bit dissapointing. Keep trying

Your fiend Rod

Your best shot is a reference to having had sex with my nonexistant wife? Do you really feel this somehow tweeks me? You think that would have caused me some concern even if I WAS married?

I'm still waiting for even a smidgeon of your professed superior intellect to kick in. I'm beginning to feel maybe it was a false claim on your part. You are right about one thing though, this has gotten awfully boring.

I won't even go there and I believe you are old enough to be my dad.

The ABA 20V seems to be a popular mod with the VW crowd now, but very few Audis are running it (at least, that I know of)

As for the rest of this discussion, I'm staying out of it.....

depending on the rods you use, you might have to do a little clearancing though.

The oil sprayers were placed for the shorter stroke and the skirts will have to be shortend or notched.

and so that shouldn't even be a problem as long as the piston manufacturer knows this.

learned about that from my honda friend who build turbo GS-R engines.