I have the original APR stage 3+ w/FM IC, Injectors, MAF, FPR, all IC tubing and hoses, Inconel exh mani, 3" Downpipe, GT25/35 BB turbo, switchable chipset w/ stage 2, 3+ pump and 3+ race gas, and will include the APR flywheel. I am asking for 3500$ which is a steal given that car was over 300hp pump and over 360 on race with absolutely no issues or codes.

If you want to take it a step further, I also have a 97 long block for sale w/60k mi and also has no issues, runs great. I also have a 2000 or 2001 tranny with less than 12k miles on it. I want 2000$ for the engine and $1000 for the tranny (almost new with no abuse), both as a package for 2700$. All for 5700$ and you pay shipping on any of this. My e-mail is s4audinut@aol.com
Just think you will be able to say you own APR's development setup for A4's, wow. There really are no issues with this starts and runs with no hicups and can be depended upon. Name another kit even from APR where you can say this.
Rod

...we talking about?

It is not a low end setup and is best mid range to upper end with great pull to 7200. May be different without the shrick cams tho, these were mid-upper grinds.
Rod

BTW Lucas was running a GT25/35 from Ray Hall and was making 400+ easy.

And chris at Apr can tell more about it. I never rally ran it extramely hard after the 1st month bcause the schit Spec clutch was shot after 2000 miles. Car is strong on pump and it was as good as most would want on race. car reportedly ran low 1's but was primarily a track car with the Shrick ca,s.
Rod

Because the 2 fastest times are Lucas and the car stephen bought which are 12.1 and 12.5. Both of those cars were making in the 400-450 crank hp when they made those runs.

The APR car that ran low 12's was the stage 3 GTI.

I would think someone would get the full history of a car before they end up buying it. All you have to do is just do a search for their runs of that A4 at waterfest a few years back.

So you know have an A4. Too bad,we never did the S4 vs A4 1/4 race.

I thought you old guys didn't like A4's?

4cyl has strong possibilities but the 5 cyl was the ****.
Yeah and Im going most of the way on this too, wrapped the s4 around a mountain, lucky to be alive. How you been, maybe now we can do the 1/4 together, altho I did get a mid 11 on the urs4 b4 I killed it.
Rod

I work on the days they race and CA speedway no longer runs on sunday during the day. If I had time to take off work I would have tried to run the NHRA drags this weekend. So as soon as I can take some time off I will hit the track. Right now we are hoping to take the car to Pahrump for some full track runs.

do a low to mid 12 second pass given the increase in hp and the vastly better upper rpm range it has.

BTW, you are such a fvcking tool.

and I paid more than this even though my kit has less potensial...

I sure hope it is going to make more power if they are going with a larger turbo. But not like I really care anyway since no S3's would race me while I had the T28 and they sure wont now.

You grew up in the new math era didn't you ?

Oh yes that was apr running 14's, customers running 14's and even a passat running 14's. I still have only seen 1 stage 3 run 13's and that was 13.9 up against my car that ran 13.5 at the same time.

What a man you are!!! BTW . .when rounding to one significant decimal one rounds to the nearest .. not the most favorable. You either ran a 13.56 or a 13.6 .. not a 13.5<ul><li><a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/msgs/1978174.phtml">Read the list</a></li></ul>

But since it is going to be here in Socal this year we will fine out what they can do here.

No one said 2 seconds, but it is already a proven fact that the tracks back east are much faster then the ones in socal and then take in the fact that we usually run in 80-100+ temps.


BTW the list shows my very last run with the T28, why dont you research what my car did at the track before those and see how much more power I was making in the second half of the track. Then compare the mph gain in the top end vs the stage 3's running the stock gear box.

... Along with nearly every Cali PES car I know of.
In addition, you weigh ~47 lbs with two pounds of lead in your pocket, your car is ~200lbs lighter than any of the Stage III car's on that list, you turned up the boost on your EBC on your runs, etc, etc, etc. In other words, you try to deceive.

The fact is, you always talked about how you were going to get your K03 into the 13's and how the 12's were just around the corner with your PES set up .. but I never saw any time slips for either.

Lastly, YOU said ~2 seconds when you said ALL APR Stage III cars run in the 14's in CA. Since several have run in the 12's elsewhere the delta is ~2 seconds.<ul><li><a href="http://forums.audiworld.com/a4/msgs/1978174.phtml">Once again ... Read the list</a></li></ul>

14.0 and high 12's is not 2 seconds. Now point out 1 Stage 3 on that list that is dbw and runs in Socal? We all know that the nondbw stage3's all run more boost then even I ran. My boost levels were at 1.45 bar and that last run of 106.6 mph I pushed 3rd and 4th gear to 1.6 bar which shows since I was able to gain 25 mph in the last 1/8th mile.

So I guess we will just have to wait till a stage 3 actually can get the balls to line up at the stage lights vs my car.

expect a run to dislodge Lucas (from the top of that list) any day now?

I don't expect any out of the box APR stage III car will be competitive with a 2 liter + set up like yours or Lucas, etc. You want to line your car up against my sport bike?

You'll have to give me a little poetic license for the 2 seconds. You were being your typical anti-APR ******* so I grabbed at the "Stage 3 run 12's in Socal, never happend. More like 14's.
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14's in your post as being greater than 14. I figured even you would be capable of stating 14 if you meant 14 flat.

The fact still remains you are deceitful at best. Your PES equipped car went as quickly as it did because you did little (unreported at the time) things like ice your fuel, ice your FMIC, run fuel that wasn't pump while intimating it was, turned up the boost with EBC and zener diode hacks while pretending you didn't, gut a car that as it turns out is already ~200lbs less than the 'standard' A4 and probably a dozen things we have not yet gleaned. Don't get me wrong, I am a believer in 'run what you got' so more power to you if you decided to pull out all your tricks. I only object to your trying to deceive folks into thinking it was just a plain old PES kit in your average old A4, while disparaging those APR cars who've bested your efforts. And bested them while running exactly what the kit comes with standard and a FMIC.

The topper is that those APR cars that ran the 12's are purring along as daily drivers still and your PES/GIAC car ate its engine trying to make it into the low 13's let alone the 12's.

and again after putting the T28 kit on, plus drove it 100+ miles a day to the tune of 45K miles a year.

My very first run was on a pump chip (93) in 60-70 deg temps which ran 13.6 right after "dark angle" ran his 13.6 in his APR 100-104 octane chipped A6. I ran a EBC to hold the boost down to 1.45 bar which is what I ran all the time and the diode was put in before the EBC so that when it did go over 1.45 bar with the chip only the ECU would not shut the throttle body from over boost. I only ran more then 1.45 bar of boost twice, once at carlsbad for the 13.5 at 106.60 mph which was my only run that day and the time before that was with a group of Audi/VW's at Palmdale which I ran a few times but seemed to have oil coming out of the catch can from the blow by. But the fact is I still ran 106.60 mph with a motor that had 120/130 lbs of compression in 2 cylinders, just think of what I could have done with a motor with stock CR.


BTW I have not had my car back for a year, in fact it was just at the shop for a month because they wanted to show it off at their dyno day and then wanted to make a few changes. I was just given the beta version of the MT which I have been testing/tuning the car with. I have plenty of wide band graphs and vag logs which others have seen, which I have no problem showing if you really want to see what AFR, timing, maf readings it has. My car is also NOT gutted in anyway and the only thing that has been changed is the front seats which seems to be what all the others have done too.

So the fact still stand that there are NO DBW stage 3's running 12's.

With full CR you probably would have suffered the same fate as Charlie, Nipper et al .. .kaboom. There are APR DBWs on that list running 19psi I might add... with better times than yours . .daily drivers and still purring along.

If it helps you feel better about yourself, you just keep telling everyone what a hero you are Mike.

I make boost at 3K, hit 20psi before 4K and power hits hard at 4k with pull well past my redline. So I am not going to have any major lag while launching the car at 6k rpms.

that wont even come to the track or post times.

mean jack. Of the hundreds or Stage III and dozens of PES T28s installed . . how many post times here? A handfull for whom running a 1/4 was something they wished to do. The balance obviously couldn't care less.
Aren't Russ, Charlie, Nipper, Reese (prolly other's I'm forgetting) all in Cali? Where are their time slips? Face it, for many guys a 1/4 mile run is less appealing than stabbing oneself in the balls with an icepick.
The most laughable part of al lof this is that that list represents a list of the fastest of a flock of what are really slow cars. There are 7500 pound, daily driven, diesel, pickem ups around here that would smoke your current setup.

Have you gotten a 1.7 yet?

That was done while being able to spin all the tires off the line. Why would I need practice, I can launch the car in my sleep and still hit below 1.9.

But half way into my run with the PES kit, my car almost never made the 1/4 mile. =)

Ping ping ping ping.....Garrett tried to turn the timing down. But eventually it pinged itself to death.