View Full Version : XR4tic and others, how useful is a wideband O2?


SameerP
10-31-2003, 06:03 PM
I have the opportunity to buy the AEM wideband O2 (link attached) for my turbo Miata. My stand alone management will interface with the wideband, so i don't need to worry about lack of a display.

My question is...how useful is this to have, how much cleaner and safer will i be able to tune my car? Is it worth it?

With the stand alone i am getting i can tune the car entirely on the road, and i thought this might be a great way to get quite close to a dyno situation?

I can get it for $250 because of a couple discounts that i have with Flying Miata...

Thanks.

Cheers,
Sameer<ul><li><a href="http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?action=product&amp;itemid=102518">http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?action=product&amp;itemid=102518</a</li></ul>

johnAWD
10-31-2003, 06:08 PM
It's one of the best tools for tuning. If you go standalone, a wideband will be your best friend while dialing it in.

YellowA4Turbo Ownz
10-31-2003, 06:29 PM
A wdieband reads a/f readings faster and much more accuratly. It will give you simuliar results compared to EGT, but it will be mor eral time. As said alreadly, its a MUST for fine tuning.

Ray Khan
11-01-2003, 07:58 AM

xr4tic
11-01-2003, 10:38 AM
Do not trust a normal O2 for tuning.

$250 is cheap insurance for a turbo motor

Mat Indukts Lambos
11-01-2003, 06:09 PM

SameerP
11-01-2003, 08:28 PM
I will get default maps that will work well, and then i can autotune with the narrrow band...but doing it with a wideband would be alot better, i could gain another 20hp judging by others who have used a dyno for their fine-tuning.

Second, i don't think the wideband will last long in such a rich environment...any guesses on durability? $90 a sensor to replace.

Once tuning is done though, is there any benefit day-to-day in using a wideband?

Cheers,
Sameer

Lightweight-USPowah
11-02-2003, 03:21 PM

xr4tic
11-02-2003, 05:06 PM
it looks like a Bosch sensor, which is used by Audi/VW, and is supposedly good for 100K miles. Maybe not that much in a richer environment, but still should be good for a while.

I've heard the Bosch sensors can be had for $25-$30, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

YellowA4Turbo Ownz
11-02-2003, 09:36 PM
just SLOW as ****. The readings are ok, but not what I would call "real time"

xr4tic
11-03-2003, 06:53 AM
if you want to tune to 14.7:1

Other than that, it's a ballpark figure at best

Ray Khan
11-03-2003, 07:25 AM
or is the factory mixture not as rich as a chipped or bog turbo mixture?

xr4tic
11-03-2003, 09:36 AM
richer and higher exhaust temps lead to a shorter life.

Ray Khan
11-03-2003, 11:51 AM

SameerP
11-03-2003, 01:12 PM
i should be able to get to ~260whp.

Cheers,
Sameer

xr4tic
11-03-2003, 03:03 PM

Stratocaster1422
11-04-2003, 06:26 AM
going on. But from a production standpoint and just "drive your car to the grocery store," you only need to know when you are at 14.7:1 and when you aren't. Any deviation is bad from that point of view.

Toaster29
11-05-2003, 07:18 PM
in fact, Ultramegasquirt will utilize the bosch sensor off that MY in order to integrate WB tuning into the system.

mrnitrous422
11-06-2003, 08:59 PM
Regular o2 sensors read from 0-1 volt whereas the wideband o2's read up to 5 volts. Regular O2 sensor guages/meters will not work straight off a WB sensor.

*'01 MY audi A4 1.8t uses a 0-5volt O2 (WB) and so does a 1995 Honda Civic 1.6

Check this site out too:

http://www.negative-camber.org/crispyrx7/wideband.htm