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UNACCEPTABLE (don't yell though). Either:<p>A) retint the window as it should have been done, it is not your fault it didn't turn out.<p>or<p>B) refund your money as they did not "perform" and deliver the product you paid for. This would be a good time to be sure you paid with VISA or MC as you can dispute the charge as not receiving quality service/products for money paid. If they say that they will have to untint your windows to refund your money, fine. As long as they are in the same exact condition as when you went in there. Document everything, and then go to another installer.<p>Problem solved one way or the other.<p>Kirk

Some people think it's cool. Others think it's dangerous--and tacky. Let's see, we tint our windows at great expense, and reduce night vision by about 70%. Then we buy illegal blue lights, which further reduce night vision by, say, 50%. Then maybe we should wear sunglasses while driving--they can be pretty cool, too.<p>Then we have the very cool look of tint film delaminating--and bubbling--as nearly all installations do over time.<p>And lastly, we all know how much the police love tint. Just what you need when they pull you over for your illegal blue lights.<p><p>

If they screwed it up, then they are responsible for fixing it, even if it means a new window. That's totally unacceptable for them to ask you to sign a waiver. I can't believe a tinting place even messed up that bad. I guess I'm spoiled maybe, because I've never seen a bad tint job come out of one of the tint shops here in the Seattle area. They did one of my cars, and it was absolutely perfect. Couldn't even tell there was film on the windows. Go to the BBB if you have to, or threaten legal action if they don't comply! :-) Good luck!<p>Charles<br>

Thanks guys, <p>The funny thing is, they are members of the BBB and some other retailers association. That's why I went therein the first place. This place does a lot of fleet and detail wor for dealers (i.e. used cars), so I thought I was in good hands.<p>They are saying that the rear tint is "acceptable" by any industry standards. And if I insist on retinting, they want me to sign the waiver. But all I have to say to someone wqlking by is "look on the right side", and they'll be able to spot the screw up. And because they've tried to fix it a couple of times unsuccessfully already, they've already scratched up that part of the tint. Which makes it even more obvious.<p>I'll be taking my car to another detail shop next week, (after my finals, so I can give full attention on resolving this), see what they say about it, and if that other shop agrees with me, I'll have even more leverage against this shop.<p>Thanks again.<p><br>James Wu<br>A4 Club of Vancouver<br>1998 Black/Onyx 1.8tqa<ul><li><a href="http://vancouver.a4.org">A4 Club of Vancouver</a></li></ul>

i will probably never get a tint again.<br>after about a year, it bubbled on my 1991 laser.<br>They did not want to fix without a waiver either.<p>But I suspect that u probably already signed some kind of waiver when u installed.<p>I left my horrible tint on, and a friend had his removed, with resultant 2 lines of the defogger stopped working. This is very hard to fix, without a new window.<p>1996 a4 2.8

J'<p>I find it interesting that you seem to find a problem with my responding to the numerous posting of other folks who are or have had problems with there<br>A4.<p>It is inherently misleading for you to encourage a one sided dialogue on your forum. Many rely on this page for honest and uncensured information.<p>I will encourage you to lend yourself to a more open and truthful discussion on this page. To that end I will respectfully support and respond to those<br>folks who have or are experiencing disenchantment (problems) with their purchase.<p>Jason, you have provided a public forum for discussion of the A4; lets keep it honest. Those of us who have made this purchase and are dissatisfied<br>with the purchase of their A4 have a voice. To that end we have as much a right to honestly express our experiences and disappointments as those<br>with equally positive experiences.<p>I believe your posting to me sends the wrong message. It is hopeful that the readers of this page and those that participate in this forum will realize that<br>truthful dialogue is more valuable and informative than a one sided censured discussion.<p>R-<br>98.5 2.8 QMS, Leather, Trip, Moonroof, ect. (And, disappointed owner!!!)<p>BTW, your response is similiar to that of A of A, I don't want to know!? Interesting?

I do not think there is any car that fully provides value etc.<br>However I have been on this forum for about 6 months now and I do not believe<br>Jason has targeted you in any way.<br>If you state your case in a clear, objective and intelligent way without attacking a individual or using profanity etc, I am sure your post would remain and we will all have a meaningful discussion.<p>There are aspects about my car i am dissapointed but most of them are due to the dealer i purchaed from.<br>So put your case forward again and see if we can have a open and coherent forum.<p>my 0.02c

As it appears, in responding to my post to “Jason” you have done so without knowing the full text of what precipitated the posting.<p>I have NEVER used profanity, ect. Mearly expressed my experiences with my A4 and suffered the insults, verbal abuse, profanity, ect. of other participants.<p>My stint in the Army and my now profession gives me greater appreciation for the U.S. Constitution. Can you imagine...scary thought<p>R-

Everyone already knows you are dissatisfied with your A4. Fine. Move on. Get rid of the car and stop hanging out in an A4 forum. Don't you have anything better to do with your time? The majority of the people on this board realize that the A4 is a very good, but not perfect car. However, most of the owners still enjoy their A4s. You accomplish nothing by repeating your message. Everyone has already read it and acknowledges your point of view. <p>Mike<br>Mercedes 190E<br>Mercedes 240D<br>Volkswagen Vanagon<br>Audi A4 1.8T <---- best car I've ever had :)<br>BMW 325is

I don't think anyone would have a problem if you responded constructively. If you do, indeed, have a troublesome A4, I'm sorry! That is unfortunate. But...the number of people here with troublesome cars is small in comparison to those who are totally satisfied. Doesn't matter who makes it, there are always going to be some bad ones in the mix. Attacking A4 owners and telling potential buyers to steer clear of the A4 is wreckless, at the least. And then to post the same stupid thing over and over and over again is rediculous and annoying. I could tell you some stories about people I know who have had upscale Japanese cars that had many more and much worse problems than you probably have had with your Audi, but I don't want to waste the space. Do they or I tell people to avoid these makes because of their experiences? Absolutely not! It's not fair to judge a model on a few bad samples. You should be ashamed of yourself! There are many people here, and a lot of information that could possibly be used to help your situation, if you wanted it. By attacking the A4 owners and yelling at potential buyers to avoid this car, you are only hurting yourself, in that nobody here is going to give you advice or help with whatever issues you have. I certainly won't! I drive an '89 Audi 90 quattro with 99K miles on it for personal use, and drive a '98 A4 2.8 Q-Tip with 14.5K miles for business use. Both cars have by far exceeded my expectations. My family had two other Audi's growing up; a '79 4000, and an '81 5000. The 4000 was a perfect car with no problems or defects, but the 5000 was a nightmare. This did not scare me from purchasing my first quattro, the '89, 90Q, based on that one car, and I'm glad. The 90Q has provided many miles of smiles. Even my Father (the FORD man) has been impressed, especially after his 5000 disaster. The 5000 was a pretty nice car to drive in that day though, at 11 years old. That being said, there are A4's all over the place here in the Seattle area. I have talked to many owners, and not one of them has been dissatisfied with their car. Anyway, if you want to offer constructive input, and not attack the A4 or it's owners, then you will not be attacked back. Happy A4 owners will draw blood! Hope your Lexus is troublefree.<p>Charles

Mike,<p>My parents (Father and Stepmother)had an '82, 240D with a 4 speed manual. Talk about a bulletproof tank! That car was virtually flawless except for my Stepmonster burning up the clutch twice. Then the final day was in about '91, after she and my Father divorced. Apparently she didn't know oil had to be added once in awhile! Oops! Serves her right! Despite lack of power, I used to love driving that car. I'll never forget how PO'd my Stepmonster was when my Dad let me drive it in the snow, on the highway, at age 14! Oh my God was she MAD! :-) <p>Charles<br>

Bulletproof is RIGHT :) 160,000 miles and NOT ONE FLAW. Original clutch, original everything. '83 240D with a 4 speed manual. 32 MPG. 60+ horsepower. Amazing car. My buddy has a 300D with over 450,000 miles. The engine went at about 435,000, and he liked the car so much that he just popped a rebuilt one in.<p>Mike

...there probably isn't another car on the road with the dependability, structural strength, comfort, and that gets over 30 MPG. On top of that, they are very inexpensive to buy these days, and if in good shape are still a fine looking car. Better looking than the new ones, IMO. BTW, ours was that really light blue/silver metallic with navy leatherette, and had the steel wheels and the old standard Mercedes hubcaps. My Dad bought it barely used in '83 from some Dentist. Car had something like 20K miles on it at that time, but a few small dents that this Dentist's kids had added. That was his reason for selling. The kids kept denting it! Anyway, my Dad got a good price on it and took it directly to a well respected body shop for repairs. Car looked like new after that. Well, for awhile anyway! Stepmom had a small accident, and then later I drove the grill into the lawnmower handle in the garage. Dad still thinks it got bashed in the airport lot! I still don't have the guts to tell him I did it! Ahhh, later, maybe! And yes it was repaired after both incidents. Well, better go to bed finally :-) Later!<p>Charles<br>

Since when do rights of free speech extend to privately run forums? A4.ORG is not a governmental entity and is therefore not restricted in censoring ... if that is what you are alluding to. If they had the means to identify you and exclude you from participating, there would be nothing you could do.<p>You present yourself as the innocent and champion of free speech and open dialogue. However, your posts are inflammatory and purposely written to illicit negative response. As far as I'm concerned, you are not owed anything.<p>If you don't like your A4 ... tough $h!t. Trade it in and spare us your whining. If you were one of the lucky ones to get one of the few bad A4's that were produced then I feel that it couldn't have happened to a better person.<p>There are two things you should get: 1) a life and 2) lost.<p>General Observation: It never fails ... no matter where you are, there always seems to be some jerk who has nothing better to do with their life than to try and upset people. Your reward will be to live your miserable life because you are not a content person.

All car makers unfortunitely produce a lemon from time to time. But the vast majority are well built and very reliable with a happy following. Maybe you did get a bad one I don't know and I can understand the frustration of waiting 2 -3 weeks to get parts to fix things but that said A4's offer a lot of positives and few negatives.

Thanks for responding. Your post is intelligent and thoughtfully stated. I <b>am not</b> and I <b>will never be</b> against posting legitmate information about this car. That is exactly what this Forum is for. My only point to you -- the one which has been pointed out again in the responses to your post -- is that you have made your position clear <b>numerous</b> times. Nobody will argue that this car is perfect or 100% defect free in all cases. If you have ongoing problems then all of us here would like to chime in to help you fix those problems. However, I find that many of your posts are made in an apparent attempt to goad people into arguments, to criticize owners and potential buyers and generally to "smirk" at all of us "dopes" who own the car. Since you don't seem to be coming at the problem constructively you are just no fun to have around here.<p>If you are intelligent then you will accept this point of view and particpate in a more constructive manner. We're all asking you nicely.<p>Thanks,<br>Jason

R--<p>Its clear you have many problems with your A4. However, repeated posting to the forum is not going to solve your problems. While it may allow you to vent your frustrations, it is clearly annoying other participants. This is why Jason has had to take action. In any forum or discussion, certain rules must be adhered to and certain behavoirs are not tollerated.<p>Now onto my advice. If you are having numerous problems, you need to review the various federal and state lemon laws. Better, find an attorney that has experience in this area; they will help you in the documentation of the facts. A letter from a lawer seeking resolution gets peoples attentions and perhaps the dealer or AoA may give your problem better resolution. It shows your serious in the matter and wont go away. Yes it is going to cost you some money, but spending $1000 dollars to fix a $30000 problem is worth it, especially if the car needs replacement.<p><br>Paul<p>a happy 98.5 2.8 QMS owner<p>

R-,<p>I have only participated in this forum for the last month or so and have seen your numerous posts. However, I have never seen an exact description from you as to why you feel this car is so bad. Maybe I have missed your list, but all I have seen so far is warnings not to buy this car. I just picked up my A4 2.8 QMS on Dec. 30th, and I have to say its great. Also, I did a rigorous background check before buying this car, and the reliability issue was foremost on my list of concerns.<p>I am sure that you have legit concerns regarding your car. I believe that if you list these concerns, the good people of this board, who hae been very helopful on just about every question I have seen, would be able to help you. Ranting does not solve problems, but constructive criticism and interaction with people with expereince and knowledge at least provides the opportunity to do so.<p>So, if you could provide a list of the problems with your car, dealer responses, etc., maybe you will find an avenue to resolve your problems. Just a thought.<p>Eric L.

Thanks E'<p>I will respond to you during the week.<p>R-

You underscaore your own ignorance.<p>Thanks!<p>R-

J'<p>It appears you have failed to acknowledge that most of my posts have been in response to others who have had problems with their A4 purchase (as I unfortunately have had). Agreed, the responses have come with a bit of a flare, however, that is a flare elicited as a result of the combative approaches some have had towards others (excluding myself) expressing dissatisfaction with the A4.<p>As we can see from my humble posting to you, other participants of this page frequently take the path of insults (some couched in eloquent rhetoric). This combative and sometimes abusive behavior is counter productive to a person (other than myself) seeking to either express their sometimes negative experiences or seeking guidance with problems they are having or even to determine the frequencies of specific issues or problems that the A4’s may be having prior to making a purchase (or after making a purchase in my case)<p>However, I am pleased that you have acknowledged that constructive and meaningful dialogue (positive or negative) is important to this forum. It is hopeful that those who insult others (excluding the insults made towards me) suffering through problems with their A4 will cease in promoting this counter productive rhetoric and allow for a free exchange of ideas, experiences and opinions. Otherwise your efforts here may be thwarted and the integrity of your efforts affronted.<p>Thanks!<p>R- <br>98.5 2.8 QMS, leather, bose, trip. moon roof, ect. (and, of course, dis-satisfied with the purchase of my A4)<p>BTW, for those who care, the A4 has many great attributes and overall is a pretty awesome car (may even win, “bang-for-the-buck”, in my opinion), however, other issues may sometimes overshadow this car’s greatness.<p>Oh, bought the car with 14 miles on it, and scored an awesome deal on both the purchase price and interest rate.

Now let's get back to talking about the car and stop talking about ourselves :-)

Chuck :) Sounds like our car. Ours is the manilla beige color (yellowish) with tan vinyl seats. Near perfect condition. Steel wheels and hubcaps that match the color of the body panels. Looks nearly like new :)<p>Mike

The rear decklid speaker grilles are mounted very close to the speakers themselves, try removing the decklid and then playing something. If it still makes the blown sound, then it's possible that the speaker is blown. If it stops, then you know that it was because the grille was too close to the speaker cone and as the cone moves up & down, it actually hits the grille. This is a common problem and a fix for it is simply by cutting out some doughnut shaped pieces of sound insulation, and placing them around the speakers so that the grilles are lifted higher and away from the cones........

Good luck......
-Ash 98.5 1.8TQMS w/ boomy BOSE.

I've been having problems with distortion on my 99 Avant front door speakers at certain frequencies. I had the speakers replaced once. The problem came back after a couple of weeks. It turned out to be buzzing in the door panel. I'm unsure if it's the surrounds hitting or just the door panel vibrating against something. I'm taking it in in a few weeks to have the buzzing fixed...

so the extra padding is a good idea anyway.

My wife hates bass so I run it low, but there was a buzz coming from my right rear speaker (98.5 Bose like yours). I told the dealer and they replaced the speaker under warranty. No more worries.