03-09-2004, 01:34 PM
View Full Version : Why couldn't the A8/S8's come with this stateside!!!
03-09-2004, 01:34 PM
03-09-2004, 01:42 PM
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03-09-2004, 02:02 PM
ECU and wiring harness we could get from a euro spec S8. This has been bugging me, since I saw the first S4 with a 6 speed. I just don't like automatics. I'll do some digging over in Germany.
03-09-2004, 02:04 PM
03-09-2004, 02:06 PM
the twin turbo from the RS6!!! MUWAHAHAHAHA!
03-09-2004, 02:40 PM
Isn't there a way? Even if it means a new transmission?
03-09-2004, 03:12 PM
Just in case anyone was wondering. That is manual transmission in German. I have been doing some searching on google.de for some info.
03-09-2004, 03:30 PM
... might not have a connector, just like the tiptronic shifter plug(s).
Just an idea, thats how we do it in supra land.
03-09-2004, 03:45 PM
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03-09-2004, 06:05 PM
they said that the 6 spd on the 95-97 4.2 is also the ones on the 2.2l and the 2.7t<ul><li><a href="http://www.audiquattroparts.com/s4_sixspeed_transmission.htm">http://www.audiquattroparts.com/s4_sixspeed_transmission.htm</a</li></ul>
03-09-2004, 06:25 PM
When I was growing up, we made fun of people that drove Audi or BMWs in Automatics. Were you one of those people that got teased? Paul was a teaser I can tell.
I think the cell phone killed the stick shift in America. My last 528 was a stick and my friends made fun of me for being able to drive, drink coffee, and use my cell phone. It took me three months to find a used 528 stick!! It would be like looking for a 6 speed A6 2.7t or Allroad. Your dealer would have four or five to one. They try to charge a grand more and when you trade it in they try to ding you an extra thousand. Damned if you do and damned if you dont!
My guess is they dont sell. MB brought out a 300SL in 90 in stick, did not sell, cancelled. Audi V8 Quattro stick, did not sell, cancelled. Jag XJS, very very few sticks, did not sell, cancelled. BMW 850, very few sticks, did not sell, cancelled.
In the premium market they dont sell in America. I think they should offer it through European delivery if you want the sticks. Its sad the cars did not sell. If a car comes in stick, you better beleive I will look for the stick. But I would also rather have a V8 auto over a V6 stick. Unfortunately, all of these V8s in America are automatics.
I was in Europe two years ago. I remember being in Stockholm and seeing a stick shift Audi parked in front of my hotel. I did a double take and was in total disbelief. When I got to Switzerland and saw the V12s, I was also in disbelief. I would never buy a 12 cylinder anything! But, the stick, now I think that may outsell a W12.
03-09-2004, 06:40 PM
You can import one, or you can have one installed in your US spec car.
It's just a matter of paying the people who do the parts you can't! :-)
And once you see the costs, other cars start looking better - like, maybe a new A8L 6.0 W12 instead...
03-09-2004, 06:41 PM
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03-09-2004, 07:14 PM
Just presenting the anti-Audi conventional wisdom.
03-09-2004, 07:18 PM
from an automatic-config ECU to a manual-config ECU. Something like taking a 2.7T ECU and then putting in my 4.2 ECU chip.
My concern has always been how I (and/or Paul, for that matter) could get the thing to pass our OBD-II emissions testing drill in Chicagoland. Might be easy, or might be a PITA.
The ME technical literature I have has a vague reference to there being only one "vehicle specific" processor in the ECU. The remainder is the drivers, supporting cast of processing, A/D convertors, etc.
But that is about as far as I've gotten on that direction of research.
03-09-2004, 08:47 PM
03-09-2004, 09:04 PM
as one who had one for 5 years in an rs2...
the new ml-series is different though. outsourced development (with getrag from memory) has resulted in the new box (as evidenced by me in the b6 s4) being very very pleasing to use - and far better than the old units. the new a6 will use this gearbox as well - which is a positive sign..
note also that the ml-series boxes move the front axle 83mm further forward - a considerable gain for weight bias and handling.
03-09-2004, 10:08 PM
the S4 has had a high failure rate. Hope they fix it, it sure is a world apart from past Audi manuals! I'd love one, if it can withstand considerate (but heavily sporting) use.
03-09-2004, 11:53 PM
apparently a number of early ml-450 boxes suffered. i assume that it has been fixed by now...
03-10-2004, 12:10 PM
Unintended acceleration? or something about 2 many pedals???
03-10-2004, 12:21 PM
03-11-2004, 07:52 PM
They didn't sell very many of those cars with the manual transmission.