I think you're somewhat off the mark. I think most Audi owners are discerning, intelligent (and handsome!!!) comsumers who have researched their car choice and expect a LOT from their automobiles. Most of the complaints on this forum concern piddling matters -- wind noise, poor braking at 15 below zero, radio reception -- not things like explding engines and seatbelts that fail. <p>Remember, as sublime as the A4 is, it's still a machine, and machines are prone to fail in one way or another. Certain A4s just happen to fail in little-bitty ways (well, OK, occasionally one breaks down in the middle of nowehere.) And certain A4 owners tend to be REALLY whiney about those failures.<p>J.Russ.<br>Pelican blue Avant qMS