I bought an LLtek grill and after seeing it without the rings in person I know that I need them. However, does anyone know if the ones at the dealer are the same as the ones Avantgarde offers with their grill? And can you purchase the rings seperately from Avantgarde, without the grill? Also if anyone doesn't wan't their Avantgarde rings (yeah right) E-mail me please.<p>Thanks,<p>Collin<br>98' 2.8

The OEM ones will NOT work (WELL) on the Kamei/A!Avantgarde/Oettinger/LLtek grills.<p>Steve S.<br>97 2.8QM

Buy the A4 rings (approx $27) or remove from original grill (they just snap in place) snip off the plastic tabs, use clear mastic on back of rings to secure to grill - works perfectly!

Is the part number you stated for the grill or for the rings only? From the post below, (the one regarding the fading A! grill), it seems to imply that the part number is for the grill whereas the above post refers to the rings....