I have a 99.5 A4 Quattro.<br>The new low-set solitary fog lights are great!<p>One problem, when the car is turned off after driving with the fog lights, the fog lights have to be turned on again...and again...and again.<p>How can I make the fog lights ALWAYS come on when I turn on my headlights, without having to press the switch every time?

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I want to know too. I live in Toronto. It's not a foggy issue, but with the fog light on and the headlight, the car will look more cool.<p>BTW, I have DRL in here. But it seems that DRL is just exactly the same as I turn on the low light. Or it's different??<p>Odie<br>99.5 A4 1.8TQAS

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Does anyone know the meaning of rude!!!!!!<br>I thought the correct use of driving lights <br>already been discussed. What was the word <br>that comes to mind(RICEBOY), when a mindless person <br>this gets behind the wheel. Let me take <br>that back, there are two reason for those lights<br>to be used, fog and on the occasion when you have <br>seeing clearly since all Audi(stock) lights perform <br>like Sh**.<br>Just my 2 cents worth!!!!!!!!<br>

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Frankly, I can't see what's the big deal about driving with the fogs on. It's not like driving around with the high beams on, where you blind oncoming traffic (or driving around in an SUV with eye-level lights that blind even on low beams). As far as I can tell, fogs are pointed down and towards the side, so the illuminate the road. Why should this bother anyone?<br>Personally, I ALWAYS leave my fogs on (98.5 integrated). The low beams on my car are so poor that without the fogs I honestly have a hard time seeing the road. At least with the fogs I can keep an eye on the white line on the side of the road. <br>As long as the fogs are aimed properly, I don't see a problem with driving around with them on. I've personally never been blinded by oncoming fog lights.<p>Your mileage may vary.<p>Greg

I guess I'm free to say "idiot" every time I see somebody use them on a clear day.

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Fog lamps, under all states' laws are for use in inclement weather and conditions of poor visibility. Surveys of fog lamp use show that most fog lamps are used at night regardless of the weather or visibility conditions. Such users could be cited for improper use of vehicle equipment. There are not enough law enforcement officers to do so, however. Because the laws apply to vehicle users and not to vehicle manufacturers, fog lamps are wired in many different ways that most often allow the user to keep the fog lamps on continuously, thus glaring other drivers and impairing their vision and rendering their lower beam headlamps with lower seeing distance. Vehicle manufacturers and the general public believe that federal regulation of fog lamps is necessary. As a consequence, the NHTSA has stated its intent to do so in the near future, when the SAE and European and Japanese industry organizations have completed ongoing efforts to internationally harmonize fog lamp performance. This work should be completed later this year.<p><br>

...they're "fog" lights, hence they're to be used during conditions of "fog". <p>AFAIK, and I could be wrong on this, the fogs are supposed to fill in low and close. If your low beams are completely missing this area, maybe you should have them reaimed or replaced (are the 98.5 lights *that* bad?). In any case, you shouldn't be looking that close to the car. Your eyes should be much farther down the road. If you're lining your car up with the white lines six feet in front of your car, you're not driving safely.<p>Call me a frump, but I believe in using things for what they were intended -- use a can opener to open a can not a screwdriver, use a car to drive on roads not an SUV, use fog lights when it's foggy not when it's clear. <p>And that's all I have to say about that.<p><br>-vik<br>99.5 1.8tqms (I drive with NO lights at night -- just for the sport of it! :-)

Where I live, it seems like every street has a low median strip in the middle. Let me tell you, making a turn onto such a street without being able to see the median (because the headlights, as you say, illuminate ahead of the car and not on the ground in front) is a fun guessing game. I almost hit the median more than once by turning too sharply before I started using the fogs all the time.<br>As for what fog lights are "meant" to be for, who cares? Their real "function" IMO, is to help me see the road better. Whether its foggy or not, that's when I'm going to use them. <br>If using fogs help my (and others) view of the road, and doesn't hurt anyone elses, then what's the harm? I realize this may be breaking some purist convention, but there are worse things. I'd rather be comfortable in seeing as much road as possible. <p>I know, what shocking behavior!<p>=)<p>Greg (a fog light usin' fool)

... and I honestly think that any sane person owning a PRE 99.5 model should have the front fogs on all the time at night, for the following reasons:<p>- low beams are absolutely worthless, even after you spend hours adjusting them<br>- I don't really think any of the other drivers could even tell you have them on - they are aimed low and to the sides, besides...<br>- ...they are housed in the same enclosure as the low beams, thus they don't "stick out" and there's no fashion statement involved<p>Now the situation on 99.5 could be different, I haven't driven one. But on my previous cars, 95 and 96 Jetta GLX, I used to do the same thing for the same reasons. In fact, I was always nervous about attracting too much attention, whether from cops or other motorists, but common sense prevailed (I could see so much better at night, there wasn't any doubt).<p>I've owned cars in Europe and let me tell you - any $10,000 car over there has lights that are much better than my A4 costing 2.5 times as much. It's shameful and absolutely the first thing I would change about the A4 (guess what, Audi thought the same this year).<p>Sorry if I seem to come across a little strong - but I feel this is really safety issue (could be the difference between life and death, yours or somebody else's).<p>Flame away,<br>Andrei D<br>Red 1.8T QMS

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That's it! I saw one on the street today and couldn't put my finger on what it was that didn't look right... :-)<p>- A.

I have to say, regardless of the *condition* fogs lights where made for, they were made to increase visibility. At the present time I drive a 4x4 pick-up and I find myself bitching at people with their fog lights on. Although I'm not bitching because they are on, I pissed at how BADLY adjusted they are. Fogs should illuminate low down, below the fog and slightly out to the sides. (I believe Audi change the position of the fogs so they could do this better.) Doing this also fills in areas that lows miss therefore increasing visibility. Having the fogs adjusted correctly should NOT effect on coming traffic because of there designed light pattern.<br>Therefore if you increase your visibility of the road and are not harming others, why shouldn't you have your fogs on? Oh let me guess, because they were made for fog. Actually I believe the light pattern was designed to work in fog (where other patterns did not work) to increase visibility.<br>Use them if you wish but please don't get upset at the people who adjust them properly and use them all the time.<p>Alex M. (waiting for a 99.5 1.8TQMS)

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...it's difficult to see the road. Even my '89, 90Q has better lighting than the A4, and they aren't too hot. I leave the fogs on all the time, and even have them wired on my 90Q to stay on with high beams or so they can be on without the headlights.<p>Charles<br>

...not the best, but they provide me vision to drive, even without the fogs on. It's true the fogs provide more light, but generally not where I'm looking.<p>I've been contemplating the Xenon's or Euros. Maybe I need to drive with someone who has these, but (the Euro's at least) I don't see the need.

I'm sure you guys would keep on top of that, but I just find it hard to believe that the stock headlights are *dangerously* bad. Even my Escort had decent lighting. <p>And Greg, I took a good look at the fogs last night. They are bright enough that they would glare in an annoying way to oncoming traffic, even though they are aimed down and out. I stand by my opinion (as I'm sure do you by yours).<p><br>-vik<br>99.5 1.8tqms

It is illegal to use fog lights in other than inclement conditions. This is a recent law which a State Trooper friend said is only likely to be enforced against those who "aim up" their fogs and use them annoyingly. There has been a big problem with this in recent years (obviously).<p>Kirk<br>