Coolant temp/level issue
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MP4, I don't think Chris is going to pull the belly pan and inspect the underside of his engine
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From his current experiences, it seems he is losing a lot of coolant, but that has ytbd / more than the belly pan would hold, it seems.
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+1 on what you said about seeing exhaust vapor on warm days... He needs to hand it over quick for testing
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Chris, do you have a good independent garage? The dealer is probably fine, but they will thin your wallet quickly
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MP4, I don't think Chris is going to pull the belly pan and inspect the underside of his engine
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From his current experiences, it seems he is losing a lot of coolant, but that has ytbd / more than the belly pan would hold, it seems.
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+1 on what you said about seeing exhaust vapor on warm days... He needs to hand it over quick for testing
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Chris, do you have a good independent garage? The dealer is probably fine, but they will thin your wallet quickly
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Not clear to me how much fluid he is losing, nor do i think he seems to know /measured. Or, at least not spelled out here except qualitatively. Belly pan holds a lot more than a few ounces often times, and if it dumps on road and/or burns off on hot engine you never see it hit the ground. Been there (not) seen that on recent V8 and W12 Audis. One lowly way to end run it sometimes is park car on a real slope. It can force the accumulated coolant to run off, especially after a long drive where the system is pressurized and then pees it out.
Belly pan examination remains one of the best diagnostic tools on Audis, as lowly as it is. Up there with VCDS overall, particularly as the vehicle ages. Yes, a mechanic can do the same, though probably blow it off unless savvy to the technique or lots of Audi experience. My own general Audi repairs on the bigger motors and cooling systems would put odds on: a bad hose connection (or on later Audis like these a weak O ring at a plastic fitting connection that uses a metal clip retainer to fasten it instead of older style worm drive clamps); cracked fitting thermostat cover (if plastic like 4.0T); maybe an overflow/reservoir bottle issue; maybe a failing thermostat which could also be causing some overheating and blow off of coolant out the reservoir drain (where the cap lets it out). Some of those may show from above, but it takes patience with a strong flashlight and knowing the pinkish tinge and consistency to look for. Cool engine usually better to be able to feel around more for wetness too. Never say never, but the 4.2's and 4.0T's seem to have few head gasket issues even at quite extended miles.
For OP, scan for cooling codes with VCDS too, or mechanic can. You mention a tool, but I suspect it may be sort of generic OBD-II. Not convinced you will find any though; my recent experiences are when there are codes you sort of already know--a light comes on or message flashes and sometimes a CEL, and/or cooling fans go into jet engine mode as a fail safe to protect engine.
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Had same problem with my 2011 4.2 A8L
In the end it was the crankcase vent valve , all the way at the back of engine.
the whole fix was 250$ ( parts and labor )
was very hard to find the small leak.( and only when car was running )
good luck
In the end it was the crankcase vent valve , all the way at the back of engine.
the whole fix was 250$ ( parts and labor )
was very hard to find the small leak.( and only when car was running )
good luck
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i have had suspicions about something on the backside being the issue. But can’t really get back there to check without pulling some stuff off.
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Not clear to me how much fluid he is losing, nor do i think he seems to know /measured. Or, at least not spelled out here except qualitatively. Belly pan holds a lot more than a few ounces often times, and if it dumps on road and/or burns off on hot engine you never see it hit the ground. Been there (not) seen that on recent V8 and W12 Audis. One lowly way to end run it sometimes is park car on a real slope. It can force the accumulated coolant to run off, especially after a long drive where the system is pressurized and then pees it out.
Belly pan examination remains one of the best diagnostic tools on Audis, as lowly as it is. Up there with VCDS overall, particularly as the vehicle ages. Yes, a mechanic can do the same, though probably blow it off unless savvy to the technique or lots of Audi experience. My own general Audi repairs on the bigger motors and cooling systems would put odds on: a bad hose connection (or on later Audis like these a weak O ring at a plastic fitting connection that uses a metal clip retainer to fasten it instead of older style worm drive clamps); cracked fitting thermostat cover (if plastic like 4.0T); maybe an overflow/reservoir bottle issue; maybe a failing thermostat which could also be causing some overheating and blow off of coolant out the reservoir drain (where the cap lets it out). Some of those may show from above, but it takes patience with a strong flashlight and knowing the pinkish tinge and consistency to look for. Cool engine usually better to be able to feel around more for wetness too. Never say never, but the 4.2's and 4.0T's seem to have few head gasket issues even at quite extended miles.
For OP, scan for cooling codes with VCDS too, or mechanic can. You mention a tool, but I suspect it may be sort of generic OBD-II. Not convinced you will find any though; my recent experiences are when there are codes you sort of already know--a light comes on or message flashes and sometimes a CEL, and/or cooling fans go into jet engine mode as a fail safe to protect engine.
Belly pan examination remains one of the best diagnostic tools on Audis, as lowly as it is. Up there with VCDS overall, particularly as the vehicle ages. Yes, a mechanic can do the same, though probably blow it off unless savvy to the technique or lots of Audi experience. My own general Audi repairs on the bigger motors and cooling systems would put odds on: a bad hose connection (or on later Audis like these a weak O ring at a plastic fitting connection that uses a metal clip retainer to fasten it instead of older style worm drive clamps); cracked fitting thermostat cover (if plastic like 4.0T); maybe an overflow/reservoir bottle issue; maybe a failing thermostat which could also be causing some overheating and blow off of coolant out the reservoir drain (where the cap lets it out). Some of those may show from above, but it takes patience with a strong flashlight and knowing the pinkish tinge and consistency to look for. Cool engine usually better to be able to feel around more for wetness too. Never say never, but the 4.2's and 4.0T's seem to have few head gasket issues even at quite extended miles.
For OP, scan for cooling codes with VCDS too, or mechanic can. You mention a tool, but I suspect it may be sort of generic OBD-II. Not convinced you will find any though; my recent experiences are when there are codes you sort of already know--a light comes on or message flashes and sometimes a CEL, and/or cooling fans go into jet engine mode as a fail safe to protect engine.
I do get a code for lean left bank from time to time. What I had read was bad o2 sensor on that side and the mA readings look slightly off on my tester.
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Again, Chris, how much are you losing? Can you smell it?
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MP4, as he said, "it was getting expensive chasing this with actual coolant", I would expect that to be more than the belly pan would hold without dripping all over the place at some point. I certainly agree that he (his mechanic) should have a look under it!
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Again, Chris, how much are you losing? Can you smell it?
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MP4, as he said, "it was getting expensive chasing this with actual coolant", I would expect that to be more than the belly pan would hold without dripping all over the place at some point. I certainly agree that he (his mechanic) should have a look under it!
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MP4, as he said, "it was getting expensive chasing this with actual coolant", I would expect that to be more than the belly pan would hold without dripping all over the place at some point. I certainly agree that he (his mechanic) should have a look under it!
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MP4, as he said, "it was getting expensive chasing this with actual coolant", I would expect that to be more than the belly pan would hold without dripping all over the place at some point. I certainly agree that he (his mechanic) should have a look under it!
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Current one is D4. Have found coolant on ground twice after 200 mile drives, and realized it was only w/ car parked on slope immediately after those destination drives. No leaks ever visible on ground otherwise. Just did oil change last week and gave it another close look. Found slight marks on pan--all dry--directly below what I matched up to be thermostat housing. Then looked very carefully at housing and saw minor evidence of some kind of leak--also dry and just residue marks. Concluded it may be some very slight crack or seal issue with the plastic thermostat housing, which is a previously flagged issue for 4.0T's. Without the belly pan careful exam, I would never have spotted a source.
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I put a half to a gallon back in after driving for a couple of hours. Just using water for now.
Again the hard thing is that it doesn't seem to leak when it is just idling still. I would think something serious like a gasket or hose would be leaking while parked to so its the only while driving that I have a hard time tracking down.
Again the hard thing is that it doesn't seem to leak when it is just idling still. I would think something serious like a gasket or hose would be leaking while parked to so its the only while driving that I have a hard time tracking down.
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Will do. I don’t know if this helps but when I ran it parked it today I heard steam. Here is a video looking in towards the beck left of the motor. Will add link, video is to big to attach