Up to date Software Versions????
02-28-2010, 03:51 PM
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I think what he means is...
1070 or 10.70. I think the second oldest version after the 05XX one [0544??]. My experience is only the first two digits seem to matter for owners in the U.S. anyway, and 95% + of the postings seem to be from the U.S. I don't recall any post or info where Audi released a later version where the first two numbers were the same. I have seen a post or two where the last two digits seemed different though, and in context it appeared to be at the same rev. level but for owners in different countries.
Bigger picture though, folks probably have better things to do than remember the nuances of these numbers at the four digit level or go look at their screen the 3rd or 10th time a similar question is asked.
I answer many of these MMI questions, but yes I too will take shortcuts with them rather than be overly precise when it seems pretty obvious what the reference is. Alternatively it's pretty easy just to skip it and then have no info (take a look at quattroworld if you want to see that board faltering to a near halt again, as this one has at times). Or post the good old "STFA," which really is often a starting point answer on a good percentage of the MMI posts.
Bigger picture though, folks probably have better things to do than remember the nuances of these numbers at the four digit level or go look at their screen the 3rd or 10th time a similar question is asked.
I answer many of these MMI questions, but yes I too will take shortcuts with them rather than be overly precise when it seems pretty obvious what the reference is. Alternatively it's pretty easy just to skip it and then have no info (take a look at quattroworld if you want to see that board faltering to a near halt again, as this one has at times). Or post the good old "STFA," which really is often a starting point answer on a good percentage of the MMI posts.
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02-28-2010, 07:01 PM
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Okay none of what you just mentioned looks remotely close to what I list for version updates. I don't know the first line from the last so when a person mentions: 1070, 05XX, 0544, ???? I don't like code but I do like precise answers to articulate questions so I guess I have go looking elsewhere? I don't mean come off as unappreciative, but please don't write off my questions as if they've been blissfully answered and the answer is staring me in the face when they certainly have not. As each of us keeps adding to this thread it gets longer which will make it more difficult for someone to look through later, once archived, only to find there was no precise answer given.
FWIW I am also querying this topic on Quattroworld, however, A8 discussion seems a bit less interesting there.
FWIW I am also querying this topic on Quattroworld, however, A8 discussion seems a bit less interesting there.
02-28-2010, 07:33 PM
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please check posts #3 and 9 in the thread link. you can upgrade to higher firmware versions. the only numbers you need to be looking at appear on the first line of the mmi screen.
please check posts #3 and 9 in the thread link. you can upgrade to higher firmware versions. the only numbers you need to be looking at appear on the first line of the mmi screen.
02-28-2010, 08:04 PM
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https://www.audiworld.com/forums/sho....php?t=2754232
please check posts #3 and 9 in the thread link. you can upgrade to higher firmware versions. the only numbers you need to be looking at appear on the first line of the mmi screen.
please check posts #3 and 9 in the thread link. you can upgrade to higher firmware versions. the only numbers you need to be looking at appear on the first line of the mmi screen.
I read the rest of the thread through and I do not experience the Surround sound issues some have. Will this update (41.6) create that issue possibly?
I have been accustomed to making sure all electronic devices I own are up to date w/ firmware and that is the reason I need to know what's the latest. However, I have been warned by a few that updating these cars is a little like shooting craps -- I might crap out. So any additional words of wisdom are appreciated.
BTW, Chazertis, what color is your A8? I haven't seen that one before. I like it.
02-28-2010, 10:49 PM
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So, trying again, by the book...and what I know otherwise on S/W H/W revs for D3's
You are at 33.6.0 of MMI per the first line, also known widely as 33.60 and 3360 on the board. Forget the dots as essentially meaningless for identifying the version (and even this board search function has had trouble with them in the past(I know from my own account i.d.!)).
At 3360, you have the update for the MMI surrround sound issue, so you shouldn't ever see that as a result. If you have 3360, without question from both board feedback and the AMI install instructions you could also do the AMI install if you ever wanted to. I think at 3360 you also have the altitude display on the Nav map, which got added as an interesting minor feature.
At 4140 the only new observable user feature that got added as I recall was the better track info for AMI if using an iPod or something similar. Documentation about the other changes has always been murky; I have posted on it several times. There is yet one later version few seem to have bothered with. Some of the later changes dealt with phone compatability issues, though again w/ little exact information on what was done; for owners with now disconnected OnStar through mid 2005 that's all presumably irrelevant w/out the more modern bluetooth function that superseded it.
Being at 3360, you are past the fatal update problem some experienced when they tried to update from "before it" to "after it," like 27XX to 4140 is a no no (trying to remember the versions off the top of my head) that costs $2000 + for a new MMI control unit if you don't follow the exact instructions and go through 3360. 3360 seems to have been the "definitive one" that cleaned up the last of the lingering problems for some, though 27XX didn't get a lot of flak in its day on the board either. Seems like a lot of current posters are more recent second owners; a lot of the contemporaneous issues with the older versions were back in the older posts rather than in the newer ones--like in the 2004-2006 timeframe. Most of those older owner-posters (like Gina W.) have faded away, and some others tired with the poorly handled Audiworld board UI change. In my opinion, if you really want to understand the early version issues, the TSB's and the old 2004-2006 posts are where to dig into it. At 3360 it is irrelevant to your car though; might be for others though with pretty old MMI versions--lots of 2004's float around the board these days given their attractive (relatively low) second hand price and long first year model run where Audi pumped a lot out.
For reference, the second line is your hardware box rev. You are stuck with that basically. A few other TSB's sometimes change out a hardware rev (like on the CD changer as I recall) which then means a new physical part. Or in plainer techno English, the hardware rev isn't something you can just flash to get to a newer equivalent one, which is really on the s/w side in Audi's way of describing revs to start.
Also realize the car has tons on control boxes--literally a couple of dozen scattered widely all over the body. Few have any documented updates, putting aside the coding changes you can do via VAG cOM like door locking, alarm chirps, instrument display lighting and seatbelt/warning chimes, and most interestingly, ride height. MMI is the 95-99% most discussed one among the S/W updates. The ECU is sometimes flashed per TSB's, but that is closely regulated by the EPA and you won't be able to get anywhere near it as a user. Absent a TSB saying the dealer can/needs to do it, nothing will be allowed and the user can't obtain any software to do it. They won't even sell you any EPA sticker, let alone the S/W updates for an ECU! No one on the board has ever posted about the possibility of using Lemiwinks to alter the ECU (besides me) performance parameters that I recall; an obscure area way beyond this post thread--can't be done on a W12 (or S8) pretty definitively due to their dual synchronized ECU's (4.2's have one ECU) so I haven't pursued it anyway.
The Nav unit also seems to get some updates with new Nav disks, but it is undocumented in general. Most other control boxes basically only get updated if the box is changed out and it compatible; then whatever the S/W rev is "rides along." Examples would be XM or Sirius, the radio tuner, the CD drive, HVAC stuff and many others. XM/Sirius have some wiring/plug level differences between years that makes changing them more exacting at the parts number level. I'll admit I think there may be a few obscure exceptions with CD updatable software buried in TSB's I once read, but they are not in the mainstream systems or common issues.
Finally TPMS displays on MMI, but the variability in the various A8's over the years isn't fully understood on the board. Some have the ability to turn it on and off, at will, some don't. Some like me had it but lost it along the way of updates. It isn't defeatable on the newest ones, but is on some older ones. One of the very early MMI updates (maybe all the way back to the very early 05xx level) dealt with weird interactions between TPMS, supposedly rapidly oscillating light and MMI that would supposedly throw MMI into a tizzy in rare circumstances. There are of course the five sensors, but also individual antennas (other Audi's just use one) in the wheel well areas. There may also be a box buried somewhere for it, separate from MMI that is. You can see control box presence for modules commonly if you use VAG-COM, and the Bentley manual shows (poorly) the general location of many, plus you can see them in the wiring diagrams if you laboriously look through them.
At 3360, you have the update for the MMI surrround sound issue, so you shouldn't ever see that as a result. If you have 3360, without question from both board feedback and the AMI install instructions you could also do the AMI install if you ever wanted to. I think at 3360 you also have the altitude display on the Nav map, which got added as an interesting minor feature.
At 4140 the only new observable user feature that got added as I recall was the better track info for AMI if using an iPod or something similar. Documentation about the other changes has always been murky; I have posted on it several times. There is yet one later version few seem to have bothered with. Some of the later changes dealt with phone compatability issues, though again w/ little exact information on what was done; for owners with now disconnected OnStar through mid 2005 that's all presumably irrelevant w/out the more modern bluetooth function that superseded it.
Being at 3360, you are past the fatal update problem some experienced when they tried to update from "before it" to "after it," like 27XX to 4140 is a no no (trying to remember the versions off the top of my head) that costs $2000 + for a new MMI control unit if you don't follow the exact instructions and go through 3360. 3360 seems to have been the "definitive one" that cleaned up the last of the lingering problems for some, though 27XX didn't get a lot of flak in its day on the board either. Seems like a lot of current posters are more recent second owners; a lot of the contemporaneous issues with the older versions were back in the older posts rather than in the newer ones--like in the 2004-2006 timeframe. Most of those older owner-posters (like Gina W.) have faded away, and some others tired with the poorly handled Audiworld board UI change. In my opinion, if you really want to understand the early version issues, the TSB's and the old 2004-2006 posts are where to dig into it. At 3360 it is irrelevant to your car though; might be for others though with pretty old MMI versions--lots of 2004's float around the board these days given their attractive (relatively low) second hand price and long first year model run where Audi pumped a lot out.
For reference, the second line is your hardware box rev. You are stuck with that basically. A few other TSB's sometimes change out a hardware rev (like on the CD changer as I recall) which then means a new physical part. Or in plainer techno English, the hardware rev isn't something you can just flash to get to a newer equivalent one, which is really on the s/w side in Audi's way of describing revs to start.
Also realize the car has tons on control boxes--literally a couple of dozen scattered widely all over the body. Few have any documented updates, putting aside the coding changes you can do via VAG cOM like door locking, alarm chirps, instrument display lighting and seatbelt/warning chimes, and most interestingly, ride height. MMI is the 95-99% most discussed one among the S/W updates. The ECU is sometimes flashed per TSB's, but that is closely regulated by the EPA and you won't be able to get anywhere near it as a user. Absent a TSB saying the dealer can/needs to do it, nothing will be allowed and the user can't obtain any software to do it. They won't even sell you any EPA sticker, let alone the S/W updates for an ECU! No one on the board has ever posted about the possibility of using Lemiwinks to alter the ECU (besides me) performance parameters that I recall; an obscure area way beyond this post thread--can't be done on a W12 (or S8) pretty definitively due to their dual synchronized ECU's (4.2's have one ECU) so I haven't pursued it anyway.
The Nav unit also seems to get some updates with new Nav disks, but it is undocumented in general. Most other control boxes basically only get updated if the box is changed out and it compatible; then whatever the S/W rev is "rides along." Examples would be XM or Sirius, the radio tuner, the CD drive, HVAC stuff and many others. XM/Sirius have some wiring/plug level differences between years that makes changing them more exacting at the parts number level. I'll admit I think there may be a few obscure exceptions with CD updatable software buried in TSB's I once read, but they are not in the mainstream systems or common issues.
Finally TPMS displays on MMI, but the variability in the various A8's over the years isn't fully understood on the board. Some have the ability to turn it on and off, at will, some don't. Some like me had it but lost it along the way of updates. It isn't defeatable on the newest ones, but is on some older ones. One of the very early MMI updates (maybe all the way back to the very early 05xx level) dealt with weird interactions between TPMS, supposedly rapidly oscillating light and MMI that would supposedly throw MMI into a tizzy in rare circumstances. There are of course the five sensors, but also individual antennas (other Audi's just use one) in the wheel well areas. There may also be a box buried somewhere for it, separate from MMI that is. You can see control box presence for modules commonly if you use VAG-COM, and the Bentley manual shows (poorly) the general location of many, plus you can see them in the wiring diagrams if you laboriously look through them.
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03-01-2010, 11:45 AM
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Help with MMI and versions
Hello
This may be a newbie question - apologies in advance. I just had the dealer upgrade my Software on my 2007 A8L (USA) from version D3: HU 27.4.0 0613 to D3-HU 46.1.0. This upgrade was triggered by a failure in my audio system (bad amp).
My question, is how can I get my Navigation to display in Bird's eye view? Is that possible? Also, How can I get the Map to display again after a restart. For some reason it goes to address input screen by default.
I noticed a delay in my screen switching since the upgrade. Any ideas what may be causing this?
thank you.
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This may be a newbie question - apologies in advance. I just had the dealer upgrade my Software on my 2007 A8L (USA) from version D3: HU 27.4.0 0613 to D3-HU 46.1.0. This upgrade was triggered by a failure in my audio system (bad amp).
My question, is how can I get my Navigation to display in Bird's eye view? Is that possible? Also, How can I get the Map to display again after a restart. For some reason it goes to address input screen by default.
I noticed a delay in my screen switching since the upgrade. Any ideas what may be causing this?
thank you.
ASK
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Good information. I appreciate your downgrading the tech level for me without making me seem the Village Idiot at the same time.
Thanks very much!
Thanks very much!
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Okay, now I feel like I'm getting somewhere. I now understand what 10.7 is Vs 33.6 Vs 41.4 -- GRRREAT!
I read the rest of the thread through and I do not experience the Surround sound issues some have. Will this update (41.6) create that issue possibly?
I have been accustomed to making sure all electronic devices I own are up to date w/ firmware and that is the reason I need to know what's the latest. However, I have been warned by a few that updating these cars is a little like shooting craps -- I might crap out. So any additional words of wisdom are appreciated.
BTW, Chazertis, what color is your A8? I haven't seen that one before. I like it.
I read the rest of the thread through and I do not experience the Surround sound issues some have. Will this update (41.6) create that issue possibly?
I have been accustomed to making sure all electronic devices I own are up to date w/ firmware and that is the reason I need to know what's the latest. However, I have been warned by a few that updating these cars is a little like shooting craps -- I might crap out. So any additional words of wisdom are appreciated.
BTW, Chazertis, what color is your A8? I haven't seen that one before. I like it.
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03-01-2010, 07:38 PM
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Okay, I just spent a good evening with my local Audi Tech at International Audi -- Orland Park, IL (it's actually in nearby Tinley Park -- I guess they didn't want to correct for the location or something).
Anyway, after much successful updating, I now have telephone Bluetooth capability and some rearranged menu items. My SIRIUS module even works better (knock on wood).
It's my understanding the current (03/01/10) SW version is now 4610 as pictured below:
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v358/MrCowlHood/?action=view¤t=P1000028Custom.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/MrCowlHood/P1000028Custom.jpg" border="0" alt="Latest SW Update 03/01/10"></a>
I was made aware that my prior Bluetooth SW was painfully out of date and to become current I needed this update to foster the rest. Though there was a 10% risk of crashing my MMI, I took it and updated this module tonight as well. All went well.
As for the menu items, the same information is still present on my MMI module, just in different screens. Strange, but easily navigated, nonetheless.
Thanks for everybody's input.
Anyway, after much successful updating, I now have telephone Bluetooth capability and some rearranged menu items. My SIRIUS module even works better (knock on wood).
It's my understanding the current (03/01/10) SW version is now 4610 as pictured below:
<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v358/MrCowlHood/?action=view¤t=P1000028Custom.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/MrCowlHood/P1000028Custom.jpg" border="0" alt="Latest SW Update 03/01/10"></a>
I was made aware that my prior Bluetooth SW was painfully out of date and to become current I needed this update to foster the rest. Though there was a 10% risk of crashing my MMI, I took it and updated this module tonight as well. All went well.
As for the menu items, the same information is still present on my MMI module, just in different screens. Strange, but easily navigated, nonetheless.
Thanks for everybody's input.