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    Value for Money Research into best Tire
    Posted by: mike27t on 2004-10-14 21:49:42
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    Here was a recent thread on tires http://forums.audiworld.com/a6/msgs/445069.phtml. One of the responses had a link to the results of a Tire Rack Ultra High Performance All Season Tire survey.

    What is missing is a comparison to the price and a value for money (VFM) statement. A quick scan on Tire Rack showed the prices for the first 9 tires assuming a size of 235/45/17. Here is a table of the 9 tires with prices and a VFM calculation based on the 9 performance ratings in the survey.


    You can draw you own conclusions. Note that the top 4 for VFM were widely separated from the bottom 4 with the middle one being, well in the middle.

    In my view this table shows that people who have chosen Pirelli PZero or ContiExtremeContact are making the right tradeoff between performance and cost. Anything else either doesn't have the performance or is a waste of money.


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      One type of tire is not necessarily better or worse than another...depending on the conditions...
      Posted by: Finman on 2004-10-15 01:36:46
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      A particular type, whether it be ultra-performance or all-season or snow, etc could be "life-saving" at any particular time. When it rains, a ultra-HP tire is NOT the best tire to have on...but one usually does not switch tires for the rain, unless you're an F1 driver ;) Depending on how you drive and depending on the type of weather and conditions you drive in an all-season may be a better (ie. safer) tire. If you live in a dry, warm climate, a HP tire may be better (most of the time). If you live on Mt Everest...

      VFM??? I don't know...too hard to conclude based on "surveys"...especially since one guy may have a particular tire on his Hyundai Excel while another has the same make of tire but different size on his 350Z and may draw distinctly different conclusions based on the application. The surveys don't factor in the unknown, ie. the guy filling out the survey!

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      All season........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ;-)
      Posted by: April/Verdegrrl on 2004-10-14 22:01:30
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        what's the story behind the flying beagle?
        Posted by: drhaller on 2004-10-14 23:39:27
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          None other than it was a funny picture forwarded to me.
          Posted by: April/Verdegrrl on 2004-10-15 09:15:19
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          Alfas
          One Milano (Ella)
          Two Milano (Fang)
          Three Milano (Ratto),

          Four (Tinkerbell),
          then you need to add
          a 164 (Cali)

          06 A3 2.0T (gone, sniff, sniff)
          00 Dakota R/T (Conrad)
          98 F355 (Sled)
          08 RS4 Cab (Panzer)
          04 Challenge Stradale (Psycho chick)


          You're not a proper petrol head until you've owned an Alfa. (Jeremy Clarkson)

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        Assume you mean its late, not that its a boring subject
        Posted by: mike27t on 2004-10-14 22:08:58
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          Sorry, I should have clarified that to me, all seasons tend to mean no seasons.
          Posted by: April/Verdegrrl on 2004-10-14 23:08:38
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          If you get any kind of serious nasty weather, dedicated snow tires are far safer. Not only that, but you can then get them in a nice narrow width, which is perfect for cutting through snow and slush. Buy some dedicated inexpensive alloy wheels that you don't mind trashing on curbs hidden in snow or exposing to salt and grit. Not only that, but you won't need to worry about the trauma, cost, and potential damage from mounting and unmounting seasonal tires on your nice rims.

          Come Spring, you'll look forward to your nice fresh shiny rims and super sticky fat tires:-D



          Alfas
          One Milano (Ella)
          Two Milano (Fang)
          Three Milano (Ratto),

          Four (Tinkerbell),
          then you need to add
          a 164 (Cali)

          06 A3 2.0T (gone, sniff, sniff)
          00 Dakota R/T (Conrad)
          98 F355 (Sled)
          08 RS4 Cab (Panzer)
          04 Challenge Stradale (Psycho chick)


          You're not a proper petrol head until you've owned an Alfa. (Jeremy Clarkson)

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            I agree. All Season = OK at everything, great at nothing.
            Posted by: Potomac2.7T on 2004-10-15 07:09:37
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            were any animals "harmed" in the production of that photo?
            Posted by: 6sidua on 2004-10-14 23:27:46
            Account #: 51521

            i hope the flying beagle had as much fun making that shot as we do looking at it!!
            cheers



              I hope he had a soft landing as well. Pic was forwarded to me.
              Posted by: April/Verdegrrl on 2004-10-14 23:36:05
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              Alfas
              One Milano (Ella)
              Two Milano (Fang)
              Three Milano (Ratto),

              Four (Tinkerbell),
              then you need to add
              a 164 (Cali)

              06 A3 2.0T (gone, sniff, sniff)
              00 Dakota R/T (Conrad)
              98 F355 (Sled)
              08 RS4 Cab (Panzer)
              04 Challenge Stradale (Psycho chick)


              You're not a proper petrol head until you've owned an Alfa. (Jeremy Clarkson)

              "I love & treasure individuals as I meet them; I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to” (G Carlin)

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          i'll take a will guess that she is saying.....
          Posted by: 6sidua on 2004-10-14 22:38:20
          Account #: 51521

          all season tires are boring....and i'd agree.

          now for your table....i have owned the contis, both mickies and the dunlops....and i have friends with the yokos and pirellis...

          the yokos are toooo noisey and i wouldn't have them if they were free....

          the pirellis and dunlops are just so average and along with the contis...define boring crusing tires....they are right up there with those high mile eco models...only i wouldn't want them for 30k miles....

          the mickies are really the 2 best "performance tires" on the list and while the xgt is an aging tire design it is the best of the field. i consider 'max performance allseason' as a designation that should be able to "get you home" when it snows, offer above average response on dry roads, and absolutely excel in the rain.....the wetter the better. living in the pacific northwest, i found the xgt to be the perfect compromise for dry or snow but the best of the best in the wet. and for quattro a near perfect mate. almost like an bridgestone so3 interms of sidewall stiffness and driving response....and they do get loud as they age like the so3 does. i think they are priced correctly and worth the 150-170$ range.

          my driving enjoyment is too important to base tire purchases on cost primarily. this quality/value factor isn't correctly factored into your table imo.

          also tirerack doesn't sell toyos and they make some very fine tires; the t4 is their offering in this class and i have several friends who love them.....for all seasons....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

          i really favor snows for winter and max/high performance for the other 9 months here in the midwest. given what tires do....i "value" the qualities two set offer over any all season model. and snows tires don't require snow to be useful....just ground temps in the 30s or 40s and the softer rubber will be very useful.


          cheers




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