Front End Alignment Issues
#21
I just ordered the control arm kit from FCP Groton. It will give me the adjustable control arms and replace all of the arms, tie rod ends, etc. and I am hoping I will be good for a while.
The shop that worked on the car yesterday said the tie rods appeared to be fine, except one had a rubber boot that was completely torn - which they showed me and it was torn wide open. He said despite that it was still tight and in good shape. He was surprised about it, but it obviously will need to go.
Good to know the Audi place was just jerking me around. I am totally shocked! (Heavy sarcasm).
The shop that worked on the car yesterday said the tie rods appeared to be fine, except one had a rubber boot that was completely torn - which they showed me and it was torn wide open. He said despite that it was still tight and in good shape. He was surprised about it, but it obviously will need to go.
Good to know the Audi place was just jerking me around. I am totally shocked! (Heavy sarcasm).
Let me know how that kit works out for you. I'm also in the market. Car has 144k with all original suspension and just put on a set of tires... However, the driver side front tire is wearing abnormally on the outside shoulder. All other tires and tread look completely fine. I'm guessing toe is off from a worn tie rod or control arm. I made a different post earlier for recommendations for kits since I have the common clunking up front and am considering all options. I hope your problem gets sorted out! Good luck!
#22
I just ordered the control arm kit from FCP Groton. It will give me the adjustable control arms and replace all of the arms, tie rod ends, etc. and I am hoping I will be good for a while.
The shop that worked on the car yesterday said the tie rods appeared to be fine, except one had a rubber boot that was completely torn - which they showed me and it was torn wide open. He said despite that it was still tight and in good shape. He was surprised about it, but it obviously will need to go.
Good to know the Audi place was just jerking me around. I am totally shocked! (Heavy sarcasm).
The shop that worked on the car yesterday said the tie rods appeared to be fine, except one had a rubber boot that was completely torn - which they showed me and it was torn wide open. He said despite that it was still tight and in good shape. He was surprised about it, but it obviously will need to go.
Good to know the Audi place was just jerking me around. I am totally shocked! (Heavy sarcasm).
When you checked the tie rods, did you check the adjustment? That is what is seized. Skip the control arms unless they are bad. Install new tie rods and set toe correctly.
#23
I don't think the control arm kit is going to do much for you. I still think toe is the issue. "In spec" is OK, but you really want "dead on" with toe.
When you checked the tie rods, did you check the adjustment? That is what is seized. Skip the control arms unless they are bad. Install new tie rods and set toe correctly.
When you checked the tie rods, did you check the adjustment? That is what is seized. Skip the control arms unless they are bad. Install new tie rods and set toe correctly.
My driver side front tire is abnormally wearing on the outside shoulder at a much, much higher rate than any of the other tires area. Everything else seems to be wearing normally and at acceptable levels. The wear is uniform all the way around the tire as far as I can tell. Also, the middle of the tire and inside shoulder are fine. I've double checked air pressure and everything is a go based on the sticker inside the door, not on the tires.
My car does clunk some in the front end during braking and take-off and uneven road conditions at times. I am guessing a control arm kit would be the way to go since it's got over 140k miles.
I guess in short, does this sound like a toe issue? It's hard to tell since there is so much misinformation out there. I feel like I shouldn't go try to have it aligned if I need to replace several suspension parts anyway and then have it re-aligned.
#24
AudiWorld Super User
It's more likely a camber issue for that one tire although it could be toe.
#25
AudiWorld Senior Member
Thread Starter
I don't think the control arm kit is going to do much for you. I still think toe is the issue. "In spec" is OK, but you really want "dead on" with toe.
When you checked the tie rods, did you check the adjustment? That is what is seized. Skip the control arms unless they are bad. Install new tie rods and set toe correctly.
When you checked the tie rods, did you check the adjustment? That is what is seized. Skip the control arms unless they are bad. Install new tie rods and set toe correctly.
The camber is way off, and from what you said earlier, it can only be equalized but beyond that there is no adjustment. The camber is off in a way that I would have originally expected for the wear I am seeing (-1.5% roughly on both sides) and it is roughly equal - so I'm not sure there is any adjustment that could be made to the camber that would work?
My thinking is that the only adjustments that could be made for Camber are shifting the subframe left or right, which will make one tire worse and the other tire better, or the distance of the upper or lower control arms between the frame connections and the knuckle.
My brain came up with a theory (which means it could be fantasy) that if a lower bushing is gone, it could allow the lower arm to wonder a little further from the frame and it wouldn't take much to throw it out of spec. Replacing the lowers on this assumption is a complete wild guess though, so it may be a waste of time and not solve the problem.
On the uppers, I can get adjustable arms, and this will allow me to compensate for up to 1.5% camber. This is great, but could be a Band-Aid if it is the lower control arms that are shot.
My solution, with 265,000 miles, is to replace all the control arms and put in 4 adjustable uppers. This will cost me roughly $600, but the adjustable are roughly $400 anyway.
This way, I will know the lowers are correct and if I still have a problem I can adjust the uppers to compensate...
and the inner and outter tie rods will be replaced also while I do this (part of the $600 kit).
I guess I figure this replaces a lot of old parts and removes 95% of what the problem could be from the equation....
Am I missing something? I would love to save the $600...
#26
I see what you are saying. Could you post a pic with the wheel off? Maybe some pics of the control arms, and their attachment bolts? Something isn't put together properly or there is an discrepancy with the assembly in there. Seems really odd though…. Some good pics may help myself and any others get a idea of what it is that could cause this.
Well I replace all the control arm before about 4 months ago and i was short of one, the right front upper. I purchase it from a local autoparts store, now looking back at it it look like the driver side is really straight while the passenger side that i have problem with has a little curve to it. This is an 2002 A6 2.7t. so maybe it split in that year? I'll check online for the straight one and try it.
#27
I see what you are saying. Could you post a pic with the wheel off? Maybe some pics of the control arms, and their attachment bolts? Something isn't put together properly or there is an discrepancy with the assembly in there. Seems really odd though…. Some good pics may help myself and any others get a idea of what it is that could cause this.
Well I replace all the control arm before about 4 months ago and i was short of one, the right front upper. I purchase it from a local autoparts store, now looking back at it it look like the driver side is really straight while the passenger side that i have problem with has a little curve to it. This is an 2002 A6 2.7t. so maybe it split in that year? I'll check online for the straight one and try it.
this was it before i start changing control arms
#29
Guys i found my problem, it was the lower control arm install by my mechanic wrong. it have two holes and the curve lower arm should be in the front one. it was in the rear. Also, I turn that bolt around and insert it from the rear so it'll be easy to remove in the future.
#30
Guys i found my problem, it was the lower control arm install by my mechanic wrong. it have two holes and the curve lower arm should be in the front one. it was in the rear. Also, I turn that bolt around and insert it from the rear so it'll be easy to remove in the future.