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Old 03-31-2014, 03:05 PM
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Okay guys, now the real question; How the heck do we measure Knock Retard on these cars? I reinstalled the module, and turned it up a couple of notches. I need to know if the motor is knocking. I see no KR PIDs in VCDS and the standard OBD-2 KR PID isn't reading. This is the same problem I had with the X5M and why I was so limited power wise with it (I know that thing had 700 in it). Theres more there, but I want to make sure its safe.

Germans make stuff so difficult. Chrysler has PIDs for Short Term and Long Term Knock Retard, as well a Fuel KR and a Spark KR. GM has just 1 KR PID, but its easy to find at least. BMW and Audi, nowhere to be found.
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Possible problem. The stock boost gauge is turning RED on the top end. I don't recall that ever happening without the module, so its possible that the ECU is seeing the extra boost.
Can somebody check and see if it does that stock? You have to have turned it on with VCDS or you won't have the Lap Timer screen or Boost gauge.

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Originally Posted by Mike_L
Possible problem. The stock boost gauge is turning RED on the top end. I don't recall that ever happening without the module, so its possible that the ECU is seeing the extra boost. Can somebody check and see if it does that stock? You have to have turned it on with VCDS or you won't have the Lap Timer screen or Boost gauge. Video Link: http://youtu.be/EjPSoqf5IVQ
And if that is the case the extra boost was recorded in the history logs
I am sure my car will show the same thing with my tune but the 2012 models do not have the boost indicator enabled (even with vagcom)
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Originally Posted by Mike_L
Possible problem. The stock boost gauge is turning RED on the top end. I don't recall that ever happening without the module, so its possible that the ECU is seeing the extra boost.
Can somebody check and see if it does that stock? You have to have turned it on with VCDS or you won't have the Lap Timer screen or Boost gauge.
I don't understand. Why was there ever a question that the car wouldn't recognize the extra boost? It just doesn't know what is causing it.
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Originally Posted by gatorguy7
I don't understand. Why was there ever a question that the car wouldn't recognize the extra boost? It just doesn't know what is causing it.
Because the way the module works, is by telling the MAP sensors that the readings are lower than they actually are, so they think the boost isn't there. Thats why they allow the bypass valve to close and the motor can make boost rather than the air going through the bypass tube.
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Originally Posted by Mike_L
Possible problem. The stock boost gauge is turning RED on the top end. I don't recall that ever happening without the module, so its possible that the ECU is seeing the extra boost.
Can somebody check and see if it does that stock? You have to have turned it on with VCDS or you won't have the Lap Timer screen or Boost gauge.
Mike, are you referring to the green rectangles that turn to red? That's not the boost gauge, that's simply the shift lights.

The boost gauge only shows up on the turbo cars (TDI and S's) from what I have read and is a little white bar that rises from bottom to top in the lower left corner of the center screen.

Maybe I'm not following what you are seeing?
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Originally Posted by forza1976
Mike, are you referring to the green rectangles that turn to red? That's not the boost gauge, that's simply the shift lights.

The boost gauge only shows up on the turbo cars (TDI and S's) from what I have read and is a little white bar that rises from bottom to top in the lower left corner of the center screen.

Maybe I'm not following what you are seeing?
I will confirm that is NOT what the boost gauge looks like on the S6. It is a vertical bar on the left side. I just thought it might have been different on the A6.
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Originally Posted by Mike_L
Because the way the module works, is by telling the MAP sensors that the readings are lower than they actually are, so they think the boost isn't there. Thats why they allow the bypass valve to close and the motor can make boost rather than the air going through the bypass tube.
Ok, didn't realize that MAP was the only thing it used to measure boost.
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Originally Posted by gatorguy7
I will confirm that is NOT what the boost gauge looks like on the S6. It is a vertical bar on the left side. I just thought it might have been different on the A6.
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