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Still not a serious jump and not skinny compared to 225, my logic is sound.

Posted by: ReBurn on 2007-12-09 17:47:51
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In Reply to: The logic is flawed. My A4 came with 225 width, I ran 195 width. No problem. posted by jprice on 2007-12-09 17:18:27

That number is WELL WITHIN the spec and ratings for your car. If you are driving an A4, then you are actually oversizing with the 225 anyway. So YOUR logic is flawed because this discussion is and has always been obviously relative to what the OEM suggestion is - and you admit that the 195 is OEM size for you above, so you are not, in fact, even going skinny - you are staying OEM - which is what I have always suggested.

A 195 tire is not "skinny", it's still a damn thick tire. It is narrower than your 225, which is wider than oem. Thanks for proving my point.

Thread:

Do any of you see any problems running 195/65-15 snow tires instead of 205/60-15? - Mica 2007-12-08 07:47:38 (938 views)

Try the 299/37/15's in black - Studly_1 2007-12-11 19:07:59 (97 views)

By bus or California? - s.carder 2007-12-11 14:34:29 (87 views)

That's the size I prefer. - bassed 2007-12-09 09:31:20 (173 views)

...which implies you have tried all the different 15" sizes. I'm thinking about 195/70-15, any good? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:45:33 (146 views)

Audi Flunkie, some days your posts are an absolutely vapid waste of bandwidth. - DaveInSaltLake 2007-12-09 08:39:37 (215 views)

Yeah, I guess the "group think" you are more comfortable with is what makes the Forum go 'round. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:08:04 (148 views)

The hell are you telling me for? - Mica 2007-12-09 08:40:03 (152 views)

That is fine there are trade offs, people can argue about them but... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 21:39:34 (188 views)

I ran that size for 2 winters. - Mr. Mom 2007-12-08 10:16:43 (231 views)

Your rubber compound (ie winter vs all season) is much more important in this formula - ReBurn 2007-12-08 10:24:37 (244 views)

195- 65-15 is an OEM size. For the situatino you mentioned of city driving all seasons would be.... - bassed 2007-12-09 10:31:50 (169 views)

agreed: I run full snows - Mr. Mom 2007-12-08 13:30:57 (197 views)

195/65/15 is an OEM size. I ran that for two winters. - jprice 2007-12-08 11:02:29 (240 views)

I didn't suggest running 195's was hazardous... I stated 1 or 2 sizes within oem is best - ReBurn 2007-12-08 11:13:55 (219 views)

whether you meant to or not, your post did suggest it was hazardous => - Andrew C. 2007-12-08 23:39:31 (172 views)

Whatever, not going to get into a pissing match about splitting hairs - ReBurn 2007-12-09 09:32:47 (160 views)

The logic is flawed. My A4 came with 225 width, I ran 195 width. No problem. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:18:27 (135 views)

Still not a serious jump and not skinny compared to 225, my logic is sound. - ReBurn 2007-12-09 17:47:51 (132 views)

I said 195 is an EOM size for A4s. My A4 came with OEM size of 225/45/17. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:50:55 (139 views)

No problem. Best to stick as close to your suggested wheel size as possible. - ReBurn 2007-12-08 09:55:06 (209 views)

I run this size - CF4L 2007-12-08 09:34:41 (196 views)

What tires? I think around 32 psi is a pretty common recommendation. - ReBurn 2007-12-08 11:45:46 (192 views)

195/65/15 is what came stock on my 97 and 98s... - pac1085 2007-12-08 09:26:36 (213 views)

Passat. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 10:47:17 (202 views)

A4. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. - jprice 2007-12-08 13:08:51 (199 views)

Correct.Of 15 Audis, I never owned a B5 1.8t. If 195s are oem on it, it's for mpg ratings. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:14:43 (211 views)

Just saying, you don't have your facts straight. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:42:29 (197 views)

Maybe I do. Pop a couple of Xanax and check Tire Rack's oem reference guide for YOUR car. 205/60-15 - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:28:28 (186 views)

195 is superior in the snow, and 195/65/15 IS an OEM B5 A4 size. - jprice 2007-12-08 19:09:50 (183 views)

...if you say so. It also happends to be the suckest fitment possible...you think it rocks tho. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:40:32 (171 views)

I agreed that narrower was better in the snow. That's all. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:51:41 (165 views)

If someone fits 195/65-15 on a tuned A4 for that single reason, they f-ed up. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:57:18 (164 views)

Or they just wanted superior snow and slush traction. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:59:06 (159 views)

and no idea how that sacrifices other parameters because guys like you repeating the same bullshit. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:09:01 (157 views)

Is lateral grip on dry pavement the "parameter" you have in mind. Wait, do you run all seasons? - jprice 2007-12-08 21:13:42 (162 views)

bzzt. "Parameters" - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:46:33 (159 views)

LOL.. Marginally? I couldn't make it 10 feet with my 1/2 worn all season tires, to drive into my... - Kris Hansen 2007-12-09 17:58:22 (141 views)

I'm coming tonight to let the air out of your tires because you think I am talking about all-seasons - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:01:12 (129 views)

The thing is, I have to climb and decend it every day. And it's snowy and icy all winter. - Kris Hansen 2007-12-10 05:57:20 (103 views)

I say everytime, people w/an obvious need know who they are. Driving daily on dry highway, 195=meh. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 07:55:32 (93 views)

and ftr-Michelin Artic Alphins come w/extra-wide footprint specificly to"float".On my Quantum Syncro - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 08:06:53 (133 views)

Actually they didn't, you're just horribly confused. - jprice 2007-12-10 09:42:09 (92 views)

Bzzt. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 15:31:38 (101 views)

I'd love to read it, but the link doesn't work and TR isn't listing the Arctic Alpine anymore.. - jprice 2007-12-10 15:44:19 (87 views)

Link works fine and it's Arctic *Alpin* - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 15:51:04 (81 views)

Interesting.. link didn't work from the office, but does from home. However I don't see... - jprice 2007-12-10 16:50:39 (87 views)

Shown again how your internet knowledge base fails.If you saw em in person & read the oem phamph - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 18:09:48 (86 views)

Go ahead and scan that pamphlet. I believe that as usual you're full of it. - jprice 2007-12-10 18:25:44 (89 views)

Actually - Joey T: UrS6/90q 2007-12-12 09:31:07 (70 views)

That's contrary to every other snow tire ever made. in snow, you do NOT want to float.. - Kris Hansen 2007-12-10 09:03:13 (123 views)

6in of ride height, I still can't see the advantage of "digging" down just to high-center the belly. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 14:47:53 (95 views)

You have not tried the difference, you're just pulling these ideas out of thin air. - jprice 2007-12-09 22:07:51 (121 views)

Again, you have no idea what you're saying.. but keep going it's entertaining to see you flounder. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:19:16 (123 views)

Spoken like a clueless twit.Go to TireRack under"Plus Zero"write the advantages down & shove 'em - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:09:37 (131 views)

In Vermont, there is no such thing as 'dry' pavement all winter... - Kris Hansen 2007-12-09 06:31:21 (152 views)

Kris, can we refer to snows now as"winter"tires because most people drive them on dry roads too ;0p - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 10:15:20 (131 views)

Again, 195/65/15 is OEM size on all 3 of my A4's. - pac1085 2007-12-08 11:35:24 (191 views)

afaik, there are 3 or more sizes on the filler door. I'm used to C4 & B4 sizing, 205s. Never saw - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 15:56:08 (185 views)

My 98 had 205/55/16's stock. Not 15's though. - ReBurn 2007-12-08 11:41:48 (192 views)

the 1.8T's came with 15's unless you upgraded. stock 195/65/15 and 205/55/16 - Andrew C. 2007-12-08 23:27:33 (147 views)

Load rating's lower & will wear fast. I prefer bigger snows for potholes & icy-ass curbs. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 08:37:02 (215 views)

taller sidewalls will handle bad road surfaces better. - JAFO 2007-12-08 12:16:51 (184 views)

That's not undersized. Same sidewall height as 205/60/15. OEM sizing - jprice 2007-12-08 11:04:02 (196 views)

Put the two size tires next to each other then get back to me. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 15:59:03 (185 views)

195/65/15 and 205/60/15 have virtually the same height sidewall (~0.6% variance). Get back to ME.. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:40:55 (216 views)

Lets make a deal, I'll learn aspect ratios when you learn to read my posts fully."bigger"not"taller" - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:33:18 (167 views)

"Bigger" is generic. I said sidewall, you replied with "bigger". I took everything in context. - jprice 2007-12-08 19:07:34 (167 views)

Last I checked, "bigger" = bigger, despite your toutured logic. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:53:28 (162 views)

"Big" refers to size, height, width, or amount. Bigger means an increase in one or more of those. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:58:26 (159 views)

I kinda feel sorry for the people around you. Is there someone there you can go and hug? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:14:54 (158 views)

Since it seems you're trying to go down a different path, how about some wise words from Tire Rack - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 21:20:42 (184 views)

One more: It's Always Best to Match Tires in the Worst Conditions - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 21:30:01 (164 views)

I laid my A4q down on the belly in 18" of slush and pulled right out on 205/65-15.How is 195 better? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:49:16 (164 views)

Did you read the information? I'm not sure what you're so upset about; facts are facts; - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 22:02:12 (161 views)

If you have no idea how a tire bigger than 195/65-15 could be an advantage, I can't help then. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:15:01 (151 views)

You seem to be skipping over the rest of what I've posted. - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 22:21:38 (153 views)

My orig post:Load rating lower & will wear fast.I prefer big snows for potholes & icy curbs - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:46:19 (163 views)

Well there seems to be some holes in your matrix - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 23:06:53 (188 views)

...but there's not. Here's another: Jetta tires on an A4 sucks. Another: Common sense rules. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 23:13:18 (143 views)

that sounds very scientific; the fact is the 195/65/15 is a stock A4 size; someone spent some time - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 23:42:56 (147 views)

Preference for an obvious & simple solution is scientific principle. Practice over theory is too - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:18:46 (113 views)

Yep, our practice, along with countless others, over your theories. Agree 100% - jprice 2007-12-09 22:46:55 (100 views)

Nope. Less tread somehow gaining more traction = theory, and is variable, at best. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 23:06:31 (107 views)

More of your useless and completely inaccurate theories. You probably think hydroplaning is a myth. - jprice 2007-12-09 23:08:43 (96 views)

Yeah, better ride on bigger tires's really controversial. TireRack's in the fear-mongering business. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 16:06:07 (82 views)

What are you afraid of? - jprice 2007-12-10 16:54:03 (88 views)

This TR article cautions only against WIDE/Lo-Pro sizes, 205 is not. Also references Load Index - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 19:02:36 (78 views)

Hi. The 195/65/15 tires I ran have higher load index than your 205/60/15 all seasons. - jprice 2007-12-10 22:03:09 (75 views)

So what? if you ran them in 205, they would carry a higher load. Boy, are you that stupid? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 23:23:35 (71 views)

Oh, by the way, that 195/65/15 has a load index of 95, and the 205/60/15 is 91. Just an FYI. - jprice 2007-12-11 00:28:16 (66 views)

omg, talk about freakish obsession w/a brand.Last I checked bigger's still bigger, wider's wider - Audi Junkie 2007-12-11 08:17:57 (67 views)

Happens to be that the tire I ran. Go look up big in the dictionary. - jprice 2007-12-11 09:54:23 (65 views)

and see a pic of me.Let me see,195 has sometimes more / sometimes less traction, but rides like sh1t - Audi Junkie 2007-12-11 23:13:01 (64 views)

Not sure why you think 205s ride over "obstacles" better... - jprice 2007-12-11 23:51:04 (83 views)

Larger cross-section is def better over harsh roads. When asked, I said 195 has some poor attributes - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 09:12:24 (65 views)

No, I said what evidence supports that 205 is better on harsh roads than 195? - jprice 2007-12-12 14:34:16 (66 views)

Probally involves Boyle's Law and calculating the volume of a doughnut. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 20:19:54 (60 views)

More sidewall yes.. but they're virtually the same in this case. - jprice 2007-12-12 21:03:03 (51 views)

No.. you claimed that the 195s were not good because of low load indexes, which is just wrong. - jprice 2007-12-11 00:23:04 (75 views)

Can you cite another example than the one specialty tire that was made to address the issue I raised - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 20:40:14 (53 views)

Sure.... - jprice 2007-12-12 21:20:56 (70 views)

Load index is just one manifestation of the fact it is bigger.Of course extra load can be engineered - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 23:27:52 (69 views)

Just admit you're wrong and move on sir. - jprice 2007-12-13 09:21:41 (57 views)

Wrong that 205/60 rides better, handles better, more grip in wet/dry, even wears and looks better? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 13:47:08 (54 views)

LOL! Educate me on the physics, professor :-p - jprice 2007-12-13 14:21:48 (49 views)

~5% more air volume acting as a spring & dissapating heat.Wider tread=more tread=more traction - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 21:43:47 (41 views)

lol... this is great! - jprice 2007-12-13 21:50:41 (47 views)

Oh, so the effect of 5% change in air volume's"not noticable",while 5% change in tread width is, ok. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 22:00:41 (31 views)

Absolutely.. are you really THAT dumb? - jprice 2007-12-13 22:03:16 (41 views)

Let me see....5% = 5%, so ok....yeah, I guess so. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 07:20:08 (34 views)

5% of to volume of the ocean and 5% the volume of a bathtub are different, no? - jprice 2007-12-14 07:59:41 (35 views)

No it's +/-5% of a~200mmX60%X2+15"TIRE.Obviously you're lost & need more help than I can provide - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 15:37:29 (27 views)

You missed highlighting this: **The narrower the tire, the easier you can get through snow.** - MNblackS4 2007-12-10 19:36:30 (75 views)

Rolling resistance of wider tires is common to all types. So now we downgrade our street tires too? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 07:24:17 (31 views)

What are you talking about? This is quoted from the TR article about snow tires. - MNblackS4 2007-12-14 22:08:03 (27 views)

SIMPLE: ALL TIRES ROLL EASIER WHEN MORE NARROW. So why not run 195s or smaller all year? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-15 07:47:08 (27 views)

I guarantee you my A4 will OWN the CRV in any type or depth of snow. - jprice 2007-12-15 14:12:38 (24 views)

Bzzt. Not even close. Reality check. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-15 20:39:15 (23 views)

You simply have no idea. Oh well. Enjoy la-la land. - jprice 2007-12-15 20:40:57 (24 views)

Right, how would I know?I was only driving it up our sledding hill today.1ft more ground clearance. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-15 20:57:47 (17 views)

If you could stay on the subject, the point of the statement was Narrower tires are better in snow; - MNblackS4 2007-12-15 09:30:08 (35 views)

Contrary to what you may believe, I am quite a pleasant person. It's just an annoyance to me when.. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:19:03 (192 views)

Sorry, people aren't "mislead" by considering more than just your mindless internet repetition. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:36:15 (173 views)

Oh yeah.. also.. do you run all seasons all year? - jprice 2007-12-08 21:46:35 (153 views)

New ones are fine to make it out to the plowed highway.I also have snows I use for a week at a time - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:25:10 (306 views)

You're a moron. - Hibiscus Red S4 2007-12-09 08:49:04 (141 views)

Doesn't matter. "Stupid is, as stupid does". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 10:20:40 (129 views)

if you do your research, you wouldn't buy tires that are only 1/2 winter compound - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 08:20:47 (139 views)

can you make it, sure, but i'll bet that if i hit the brakes on snow - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 22:48:31 (173 views)

Hey, all I'm saying is to consider more than extreme snow, but certian brain-washers don't let it - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 23:04:30 (162 views)

all-season tires are NEVER "best" - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 08:23:17 (148 views)

Right, summers are best for the 1ft of snow outside & snows are best @100 on dry hwy up the road - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:58:20 (127 views)

Oh, you run your summer tires in winter and your winter tires in summer? Sounds about right. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:21:57 (130 views)

Bzzt again. Correct answer = all seasons are best. Next contestant. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:24:31 (124 views)

lol. I love it when your true colors show through. - jprice 2007-12-09 22:05:23 (124 views)

FYI the 195/65/15 tires I ran were H rated, 130 MPH. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:20:04 (110 views)

so if i did that i wouldn't be a pussy then? right? - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 11:55:01 (126 views)

when it comes down to between 195 & 205 its personal preference as much as it is climate based - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 23:19:42 (160 views)

What you replied with is incorrect information, that's the problem. - jprice 2007-12-08 23:08:47 (142 views)

No, it's all correct. The problem is that you have only one single "fact" that you pass as knowledge - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 23:27:47 (143 views)

Here's my current winter setup. - jprice 2007-12-08 23:45:25 (213 views)

You just spent 2 hours saying 195s are the "best" and now you're telling me you run 205s? Ok. lol. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:05:13 (133 views)

195 is better in snow than 205. I run 205 because you can't go narrower on 16" wheel. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:17:01 (124 views)

Right, can't go out in winter conditions w/o upgraded brakes,lol.According to your logic, oem's best - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:27:58 (116 views)

According to your logic... - jprice 2007-12-09 21:59:15 (119 views)

Maybe you should read the thread again. - jprice 2007-12-08 23:29:33 (138 views)

. - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 22:41:29 (187 views)

People who run winter tires all winter are pussies and are dumb? Are you drunk? - jprice 2007-12-08 22:35:31 (152 views)

The only reason to be on dry pavement with 11/32nds of soft snow tread=girlie arms. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:54:14 (147 views)

what about winter tread compound keeping tires softer in cold temps? brake much? - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 08:18:07 (138 views)

Now I need snow tread to brake on dry road?That's hysterical.I'm such a spaz I can't stop on dry.lol - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 08:19:25 (86 views)

i think you guys should take this somewhere else... you both have made your point over and over - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 21:49:12 (163 views)

I'm sorry.. I've been trying to keep a straight face reading your replies, but I had to LOL at that. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:37:58 (150 views)

195/65-15 - stock (dealer) winter tires in Europe for A4 B5 - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 09:04:36 (441 views)

Even if, so what? I seriously doubt anyone w/a brain would use them on V6, I used monster 205/65-15 - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 09:12:43 (192 views)

Just saying, I'm using 225/45-17 year round - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 09:21:01 (187 views)

Exactly, starting w/ a size that supports the car correctly's a good premise.205/60-15 is borderline - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 09:23:42 (177 views)

Narrow tire = better traction in snow. - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 07:57:51 (191 views)

This is a general statement that happens to be 100% true. No need to elaborate. - MonkeyLover 2007-12-08 09:59:09 (184 views)

...but who really drives on"100%"snow?My road conditions change greatly as I drive country ~>city - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 10:40:35 (181 views)

It depends on where you live. You're not at 6k ASL where you get 400" + a year are you?..... - bassed 2007-12-09 10:29:39 (127 views)

Doesn't matter. I assume they have rough roads as well as plows, so it depends on more than that. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 20:10:51 (108 views)

LOL all snows don't handle the some 300 variations of snow types the same.... - bassed 2007-12-10 19:54:51 (70 views)

It's only for a few months. I don't see the big deal. - MonkeyLover 2007-12-08 10:56:06 (175 views)

I drive almost 3000 miles a month.The point is that people focus too much on one parameter,"best___" - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:00:07 (178 views)

Remember, it was said narrower provides more traction in the snow. No one said best. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:39:53 (181 views)

"on" snow or "in" snow? To me, snow driving mostly means wet slush where wider rubber is better. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:55:50 (160 views)

Completely wrong. Narrower is better in slush as well. - jprice 2007-12-08 19:09:24 (163 views)

2nd wet slush should be treated just like 3-6" of heavy uplowed snow. - bassed 2007-12-09 10:34:23 (125 views)

To me, slush is clear & you can see black pavement, wet road w/material on the side, not 6" snow - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:34:40 (113 views)

Sounds like you've never ventured west of the Mississippi much in winter to me. - bassed 2007-12-10 20:03:01 (80 views)

Doesn't matter. 10mm less width is not going to save your ass in 8ft of snow, it's folly to think so - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 21:36:28 (68 views)

Oh, your exaggeration theory again. By the way, it's 40mm. - jprice 2007-12-10 22:01:41 (75 views)

His conditions would indicate a 4X4 truck prefered, but hey, Audi+teeny tires=w00t! Not too warped? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 09:40:36 (55 views)

NAH Quattro - bassed 2007-12-13 18:02:36 (37 views)

Very convenient that you have your own definitions for things that don't match the correct ones. - jprice 2007-12-09 21:57:12 (107 views)

I said "wet slush" not "slush". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 22:50:27 (95 views)

Narrower is better on anything with "slush" in the description, ok? - jprice 2007-12-09 22:55:35 (105 views)

Considering slush presents zero challenge, even on all-seasons, I'll keep that in mind. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 14:51:16 (84 views)

0 challenge in slush? You're kidding right? You can hydroplane, have ice shards in there.... - bassed 2007-12-10 20:05:43 (75 views)

nvm when half the car is in slush and the other half is on ice... prescription of the spin doctor - ScratchRob13 2007-12-10 20:14:57 (71 views)

Depends I've had what I descirbed with slush in Cali, ice and snow in Iowa, snow and hard pack... - bassed 2007-12-10 20:27:03 (70 views)

im saying i've watching hydroplaning on one side of the car with severe traction loss onthe other... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-10 20:38:06 (72 views)

Ewww add asshats driving inebriated and you've got disater(:... - bassed 2007-12-10 20:55:46 (71 views)

i'll work on it the beginning of next week in big sky, MT... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-10 21:12:27 (75 views)

Zero challenge, perhaps, but HUGE hydroplaning potential, unless you like driving at 15 mph all day. - Kris Hansen 2007-12-10 16:06:47 (80 views)

It depends on the speed you're going. - jprice 2007-12-10 14:56:18 (78 views)

maybe yes or no, but definately less traction more heat and wear on hwy. It snows on/off 20x a year - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 09:21:05 (201 views)

so maybe you don't need as aggressive as a snow tire... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 21:44:15 (157 views)

More heat and wear on the highway.. huh.. have some data to back that up? - jprice 2007-12-08 13:11:12 (195 views)

Slap some 175/80-14 snows on and hit the warm pavement at 100. Then give me a call for a ride home. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:05:38 (183 views)

LOL! Who said anything about 175s? - jprice 2007-12-08 17:38:47 (181 views)

It doesn't take a genius to "test by exaggeration". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 19:02:36 (169 views)

Uh.. Ok, genius. LOL! So are you saying that 335 width tires are better? - jprice 2007-12-08 19:08:57 (167 views)

No, because different forces come into play.I can say a bigger tire w/greater load carries it better - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:49:50 (163 views)

You can and do say whatever you want. That doesn't mean it's accurate. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:52:56 (163 views)

Is it accurate to say a Load Index of 91 or 93 is better than the lame 89 on 195/65s. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:02:56 (173 views)

You don't understand load ratings. It's not tied to size. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:08:44 (174 views)

Oh, but it is. A clear progression is shown by this Dunlop chart with 195/65-15 as the lowest. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:22:41 (153 views)

1) Your link didn't work 2) You're looking at ONE model of tire. So of course it appears that way. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:25:18 (167 views)

Umm, to compare Load vs Size, yeah one single model. (rolls eyes) What is your background in? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:23:59 (142 views)

Fact: 195/65/15 Nokain WRG2 has higher load index than your crappy 205 width all seasons. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:23:38 (378 views)

and their 205 is higher, indicating bigger tire carries more weight. Trouble with the basics? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 20:15:26 (119 views)

Actually their 205 is lower. Also pretty much every 195 vs 205 winter tire has same load index. - jprice 2007-12-13 12:49:35 (58 views)

So close in size they fall into the same category, so what?How about larger 15", like 215 w/95 Load? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 14:03:30 (45 views)

Sure, throw some more variables in why don't you. 195 vs 205. You're DONE. - jprice 2007-12-13 14:18:47 (47 views)

Your 'exception' serves only to~prove~The Rule. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 14:23:04 (43 views)

What exception? All the winter tires on Tirerack? Can you read? - jprice 2007-12-13 14:36:24 (43 views)

Duh, 195 being the exception as larger=>load. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 17:04:59 (41 views)

Also.. lol @ larger - jprice 2007-12-13 19:01:47 (44 views)

Great.. That's the size this thread is about, and that's the size you said was lower load index. - jprice 2007-12-13 18:52:23 (50 views)

Still don't get it that bigger rides & loads better?That's sad, but funny like when a clown dies - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 19:59:23 (39 views)

There you go with the technical terms again.. "rides" "loads" LOL.. No, you don't get it. - jprice 2007-12-13 21:17:19 (51 views)

Why don't you start a poll on the tire forum about bigger or smaller tires riding better? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 21:51:44 (37 views)

Uh.. bigger and smaller in which dimensions? - jprice 2007-12-13 21:57:57 (49 views)

Volume. Are you reay to answer now? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 22:05:55 (32 views)

You realize that's not enough data, right? - jprice 2007-12-13 22:12:11 (43 views)

Your notion that you could simply add air to increase volume is laughable.It's not a balloon, clown! - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 15:22:32 (32 views)

The fact is narrower tire are better in the snow. It's proven again and again. - jprice 2007-12-08 13:02:29 (191 views)

I've said again and again,"best" means BEST over obstacles, BEST wear, BEST when road dries out, etc - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:10:30 (186 views)

Narrow tires = better in snow. He didn't use the term best. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:37:51 (176 views)

Not true, even if- that's the myopic mindset you share, that's everything needs to be the "best". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:14:06 (186 views)

Still, you're the one that said best. Would you argue the fact that narrower is better in snow? - jprice 2007-12-08 19:08:41 (172 views)

Maybe, marginally.I'll say again, bigger than MINIMUM size is better in*winter*where conditions vary - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:37:52 (136 views)

No doubt about that, my 205/60-16's Hakka 2's were way better than my 225/45-17 Hakka 2's. - M.S.G. 2007-12-08 20:06:01 (171 views)

205/60-16...that's 1/2 size over stock, right? Good move. More than adequate to support the car. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 20:18:14 (123 views)

Especially that slushy stuff on the highway. - 4Driver4 2007-12-08 08:34:55 (184 views)

Guess I got lucky then with the very slightly used set I picked up yesterday.......... - 4corners 2007-12-08 08:32:12 (197 views)

Wahoo! - Mica 2007-12-08 08:00:09 (228 views)

Article - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 08:05:02 (212 views)

Who says you need to dig into pavement to gain traction?My A4 plowed snow w/2" compacted under tires - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 08:40:06 (187 views)

Only tire scientists/engineers. But what do they know, you're the expert. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:19:14 (167 views)

I disagree here. Snows actually have better traction in certain conditions not contacting with.... - bassed 2007-12-09 10:39:21 (138 views)

i have found situations, where i rather run on fresh snow instead of plowed or compacted snow... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-09 10:44:27 (125 views)

lol, btw- :Motor Trend: is ~hardly~ "Engineers and Scientists". AWers as virtual idiots thinking so? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:21:20 (140 views)

I don't need an expert like you or a scientist/engineer to see my car move ok w/snow under the tires - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:03:41 (152 views)

Oh yeah, do you run all seasons all year on the A4? - jprice 2007-12-08 22:08:10 (149 views)

Tell me, my drive's 1mi in 1ft of snow, 5mi on plowed & 100mi on dry hwy.Summer or winter tires? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 22:53:44 (104 views)

I'm fine if you choose to run all seasons. Honestly that doesn't bother me. - jprice 2007-12-09 23:00:30 (113 views)

Reliance on only the two seems to skew driver's perceptions. Many people don't need snows, but - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 23:30:52 (99 views)

I agree on the contiextremecontacts. I have recommended them to many people who want all seasons. - jprice 2007-12-09 23:44:40 (105 views)

I had them on 2 weeks after they came out, just like every other new decent all-season tire. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 15:59:06 (80 views)

I didn't think the question was whether or not your car moved, was it? - jprice 2007-12-08 22:07:09 (149 views)

Jordan, you're having a mental duel... - Hoof Hearted 2007-12-11 21:57:13 (82 views)

I'll be ok, because if I drive fast enough, my momentum creates extra gravitational waves for grip. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-11 23:20:18 (62 views)

What luck. - Mica 2007-12-08 08:06:43 (197 views)

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