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The logic is flawed. My A4 came with 225 width, I ran 195 width. No problem.

Posted by: jprice on 2007-12-09 17:18:27
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In Reply to: Whatever, not going to get into a pissing match about splitting hairs posted by ReBurn on 2007-12-09 09:32:47

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Do any of you see any problems running 195/65-15 snow tires instead of 205/60-15? - Mica 2007-12-08 07:47:38 (938 views)

Try the 299/37/15's in black - Studly_1 2007-12-11 19:07:59 (97 views)

By bus or California? - s.carder 2007-12-11 14:34:29 (87 views)

That's the size I prefer. - bassed 2007-12-09 09:31:20 (173 views)

...which implies you have tried all the different 15" sizes. I'm thinking about 195/70-15, any good? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:45:33 (146 views)

Audi Flunkie, some days your posts are an absolutely vapid waste of bandwidth. - DaveInSaltLake 2007-12-09 08:39:37 (215 views)

Yeah, I guess the "group think" you are more comfortable with is what makes the Forum go 'round. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:08:04 (148 views)

The hell are you telling me for? - Mica 2007-12-09 08:40:03 (152 views)

That is fine there are trade offs, people can argue about them but... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 21:39:34 (188 views)

I ran that size for 2 winters. - Mr. Mom 2007-12-08 10:16:43 (231 views)

Your rubber compound (ie winter vs all season) is much more important in this formula - ReBurn 2007-12-08 10:24:37 (244 views)

195- 65-15 is an OEM size. For the situatino you mentioned of city driving all seasons would be.... - bassed 2007-12-09 10:31:50 (169 views)

agreed: I run full snows - Mr. Mom 2007-12-08 13:30:57 (197 views)

195/65/15 is an OEM size. I ran that for two winters. - jprice 2007-12-08 11:02:29 (240 views)

I didn't suggest running 195's was hazardous... I stated 1 or 2 sizes within oem is best - ReBurn 2007-12-08 11:13:55 (219 views)

whether you meant to or not, your post did suggest it was hazardous => - Andrew C. 2007-12-08 23:39:31 (172 views)

Whatever, not going to get into a pissing match about splitting hairs - ReBurn 2007-12-09 09:32:47 (160 views)

The logic is flawed. My A4 came with 225 width, I ran 195 width. No problem. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:18:27 (135 views)

Still not a serious jump and not skinny compared to 225, my logic is sound. - ReBurn 2007-12-09 17:47:51 (131 views)

I said 195 is an EOM size for A4s. My A4 came with OEM size of 225/45/17. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:50:55 (139 views)

No problem. Best to stick as close to your suggested wheel size as possible. - ReBurn 2007-12-08 09:55:06 (209 views)

I run this size - CF4L 2007-12-08 09:34:41 (196 views)

What tires? I think around 32 psi is a pretty common recommendation. - ReBurn 2007-12-08 11:45:46 (192 views)

195/65/15 is what came stock on my 97 and 98s... - pac1085 2007-12-08 09:26:36 (213 views)

Passat. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 10:47:17 (202 views)

A4. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. - jprice 2007-12-08 13:08:51 (199 views)

Correct.Of 15 Audis, I never owned a B5 1.8t. If 195s are oem on it, it's for mpg ratings. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:14:43 (211 views)

Just saying, you don't have your facts straight. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:42:29 (197 views)

Maybe I do. Pop a couple of Xanax and check Tire Rack's oem reference guide for YOUR car. 205/60-15 - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:28:28 (186 views)

195 is superior in the snow, and 195/65/15 IS an OEM B5 A4 size. - jprice 2007-12-08 19:09:50 (183 views)

...if you say so. It also happends to be the suckest fitment possible...you think it rocks tho. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:40:32 (171 views)

I agreed that narrower was better in the snow. That's all. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:51:41 (165 views)

If someone fits 195/65-15 on a tuned A4 for that single reason, they f-ed up. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:57:18 (164 views)

Or they just wanted superior snow and slush traction. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:59:06 (159 views)

and no idea how that sacrifices other parameters because guys like you repeating the same bullshit. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:09:01 (157 views)

Is lateral grip on dry pavement the "parameter" you have in mind. Wait, do you run all seasons? - jprice 2007-12-08 21:13:42 (162 views)

bzzt. "Parameters" - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:46:33 (159 views)

LOL.. Marginally? I couldn't make it 10 feet with my 1/2 worn all season tires, to drive into my... - Kris Hansen 2007-12-09 17:58:22 (140 views)

I'm coming tonight to let the air out of your tires because you think I am talking about all-seasons - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:01:12 (129 views)

The thing is, I have to climb and decend it every day. And it's snowy and icy all winter. - Kris Hansen 2007-12-10 05:57:20 (103 views)

I say everytime, people w/an obvious need know who they are. Driving daily on dry highway, 195=meh. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 07:55:32 (93 views)

and ftr-Michelin Artic Alphins come w/extra-wide footprint specificly to"float".On my Quantum Syncro - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 08:06:53 (133 views)

Actually they didn't, you're just horribly confused. - jprice 2007-12-10 09:42:09 (92 views)

Bzzt. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 15:31:38 (101 views)

I'd love to read it, but the link doesn't work and TR isn't listing the Arctic Alpine anymore.. - jprice 2007-12-10 15:44:19 (87 views)

Link works fine and it's Arctic *Alpin* - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 15:51:04 (81 views)

Interesting.. link didn't work from the office, but does from home. However I don't see... - jprice 2007-12-10 16:50:39 (87 views)

Shown again how your internet knowledge base fails.If you saw em in person & read the oem phamph - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 18:09:48 (86 views)

Go ahead and scan that pamphlet. I believe that as usual you're full of it. - jprice 2007-12-10 18:25:44 (89 views)

Actually - Joey T: UrS6/90q 2007-12-12 09:31:07 (70 views)

That's contrary to every other snow tire ever made. in snow, you do NOT want to float.. - Kris Hansen 2007-12-10 09:03:13 (123 views)

6in of ride height, I still can't see the advantage of "digging" down just to high-center the belly. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 14:47:53 (95 views)

You have not tried the difference, you're just pulling these ideas out of thin air. - jprice 2007-12-09 22:07:51 (121 views)

Again, you have no idea what you're saying.. but keep going it's entertaining to see you flounder. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:19:16 (123 views)

Spoken like a clueless twit.Go to TireRack under"Plus Zero"write the advantages down & shove 'em - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:09:37 (131 views)

In Vermont, there is no such thing as 'dry' pavement all winter... - Kris Hansen 2007-12-09 06:31:21 (152 views)

Kris, can we refer to snows now as"winter"tires because most people drive them on dry roads too ;0p - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 10:15:20 (131 views)

Again, 195/65/15 is OEM size on all 3 of my A4's. - pac1085 2007-12-08 11:35:24 (191 views)

afaik, there are 3 or more sizes on the filler door. I'm used to C4 & B4 sizing, 205s. Never saw - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 15:56:08 (185 views)

My 98 had 205/55/16's stock. Not 15's though. - ReBurn 2007-12-08 11:41:48 (192 views)

the 1.8T's came with 15's unless you upgraded. stock 195/65/15 and 205/55/16 - Andrew C. 2007-12-08 23:27:33 (147 views)

Load rating's lower & will wear fast. I prefer bigger snows for potholes & icy-ass curbs. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 08:37:02 (215 views)

taller sidewalls will handle bad road surfaces better. - JAFO 2007-12-08 12:16:51 (184 views)

That's not undersized. Same sidewall height as 205/60/15. OEM sizing - jprice 2007-12-08 11:04:02 (196 views)

Put the two size tires next to each other then get back to me. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 15:59:03 (185 views)

195/65/15 and 205/60/15 have virtually the same height sidewall (~0.6% variance). Get back to ME.. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:40:55 (216 views)

Lets make a deal, I'll learn aspect ratios when you learn to read my posts fully."bigger"not"taller" - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:33:18 (167 views)

"Bigger" is generic. I said sidewall, you replied with "bigger". I took everything in context. - jprice 2007-12-08 19:07:34 (167 views)

Last I checked, "bigger" = bigger, despite your toutured logic. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:53:28 (162 views)

"Big" refers to size, height, width, or amount. Bigger means an increase in one or more of those. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:58:26 (159 views)

I kinda feel sorry for the people around you. Is there someone there you can go and hug? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:14:54 (158 views)

Since it seems you're trying to go down a different path, how about some wise words from Tire Rack - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 21:20:42 (184 views)

One more: It's Always Best to Match Tires in the Worst Conditions - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 21:30:01 (164 views)

I laid my A4q down on the belly in 18" of slush and pulled right out on 205/65-15.How is 195 better? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:49:16 (164 views)

Did you read the information? I'm not sure what you're so upset about; facts are facts; - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 22:02:12 (161 views)

If you have no idea how a tire bigger than 195/65-15 could be an advantage, I can't help then. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:15:01 (151 views)

You seem to be skipping over the rest of what I've posted. - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 22:21:38 (153 views)

My orig post:Load rating lower & will wear fast.I prefer big snows for potholes & icy curbs - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:46:19 (163 views)

Well there seems to be some holes in your matrix - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 23:06:53 (188 views)

...but there's not. Here's another: Jetta tires on an A4 sucks. Another: Common sense rules. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 23:13:18 (143 views)

that sounds very scientific; the fact is the 195/65/15 is a stock A4 size; someone spent some time - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 23:42:56 (146 views)

Preference for an obvious & simple solution is scientific principle. Practice over theory is too - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:18:46 (113 views)

Yep, our practice, along with countless others, over your theories. Agree 100% - jprice 2007-12-09 22:46:55 (100 views)

Nope. Less tread somehow gaining more traction = theory, and is variable, at best. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 23:06:31 (107 views)

More of your useless and completely inaccurate theories. You probably think hydroplaning is a myth. - jprice 2007-12-09 23:08:43 (96 views)

Yeah, better ride on bigger tires's really controversial. TireRack's in the fear-mongering business. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 16:06:07 (82 views)

What are you afraid of? - jprice 2007-12-10 16:54:03 (88 views)

This TR article cautions only against WIDE/Lo-Pro sizes, 205 is not. Also references Load Index - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 19:02:36 (78 views)

Hi. The 195/65/15 tires I ran have higher load index than your 205/60/15 all seasons. - jprice 2007-12-10 22:03:09 (75 views)

So what? if you ran them in 205, they would carry a higher load. Boy, are you that stupid? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 23:23:35 (71 views)

Oh, by the way, that 195/65/15 has a load index of 95, and the 205/60/15 is 91. Just an FYI. - jprice 2007-12-11 00:28:16 (66 views)

omg, talk about freakish obsession w/a brand.Last I checked bigger's still bigger, wider's wider - Audi Junkie 2007-12-11 08:17:57 (67 views)

Happens to be that the tire I ran. Go look up big in the dictionary. - jprice 2007-12-11 09:54:23 (65 views)

and see a pic of me.Let me see,195 has sometimes more / sometimes less traction, but rides like sh1t - Audi Junkie 2007-12-11 23:13:01 (64 views)

Not sure why you think 205s ride over "obstacles" better... - jprice 2007-12-11 23:51:04 (83 views)

Larger cross-section is def better over harsh roads. When asked, I said 195 has some poor attributes - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 09:12:24 (65 views)

No, I said what evidence supports that 205 is better on harsh roads than 195? - jprice 2007-12-12 14:34:16 (66 views)

Probally involves Boyle's Law and calculating the volume of a doughnut. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 20:19:54 (60 views)

More sidewall yes.. but they're virtually the same in this case. - jprice 2007-12-12 21:03:03 (51 views)

No.. you claimed that the 195s were not good because of low load indexes, which is just wrong. - jprice 2007-12-11 00:23:04 (75 views)

Can you cite another example than the one specialty tire that was made to address the issue I raised - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 20:40:14 (53 views)

Sure.... - jprice 2007-12-12 21:20:56 (70 views)

Load index is just one manifestation of the fact it is bigger.Of course extra load can be engineered - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 23:27:52 (69 views)

Just admit you're wrong and move on sir. - jprice 2007-12-13 09:21:41 (57 views)

Wrong that 205/60 rides better, handles better, more grip in wet/dry, even wears and looks better? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 13:47:08 (54 views)

LOL! Educate me on the physics, professor :-p - jprice 2007-12-13 14:21:48 (49 views)

~5% more air volume acting as a spring & dissapating heat.Wider tread=more tread=more traction - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 21:43:47 (41 views)

lol... this is great! - jprice 2007-12-13 21:50:41 (47 views)

Oh, so the effect of 5% change in air volume's"not noticable",while 5% change in tread width is, ok. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 22:00:41 (31 views)

Absolutely.. are you really THAT dumb? - jprice 2007-12-13 22:03:16 (41 views)

Let me see....5% = 5%, so ok....yeah, I guess so. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 07:20:08 (34 views)

5% of to volume of the ocean and 5% the volume of a bathtub are different, no? - jprice 2007-12-14 07:59:41 (35 views)

No it's +/-5% of a~200mmX60%X2+15"TIRE.Obviously you're lost & need more help than I can provide - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 15:37:29 (27 views)

You missed highlighting this: **The narrower the tire, the easier you can get through snow.** - MNblackS4 2007-12-10 19:36:30 (75 views)

Rolling resistance of wider tires is common to all types. So now we downgrade our street tires too? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 07:24:17 (31 views)

What are you talking about? This is quoted from the TR article about snow tires. - MNblackS4 2007-12-14 22:08:03 (27 views)

SIMPLE: ALL TIRES ROLL EASIER WHEN MORE NARROW. So why not run 195s or smaller all year? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-15 07:47:08 (27 views)

I guarantee you my A4 will OWN the CRV in any type or depth of snow. - jprice 2007-12-15 14:12:38 (24 views)

Bzzt. Not even close. Reality check. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-15 20:39:15 (23 views)

You simply have no idea. Oh well. Enjoy la-la land. - jprice 2007-12-15 20:40:57 (24 views)

Right, how would I know?I was only driving it up our sledding hill today.1ft more ground clearance. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-15 20:57:47 (17 views)

If you could stay on the subject, the point of the statement was Narrower tires are better in snow; - MNblackS4 2007-12-15 09:30:08 (35 views)

Contrary to what you may believe, I am quite a pleasant person. It's just an annoyance to me when.. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:19:03 (192 views)

Sorry, people aren't "mislead" by considering more than just your mindless internet repetition. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:36:15 (173 views)

Oh yeah.. also.. do you run all seasons all year? - jprice 2007-12-08 21:46:35 (153 views)

New ones are fine to make it out to the plowed highway.I also have snows I use for a week at a time - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:25:10 (306 views)

You're a moron. - Hibiscus Red S4 2007-12-09 08:49:04 (141 views)

Doesn't matter. "Stupid is, as stupid does". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 10:20:40 (129 views)

if you do your research, you wouldn't buy tires that are only 1/2 winter compound - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 08:20:47 (139 views)

can you make it, sure, but i'll bet that if i hit the brakes on snow - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 22:48:31 (173 views)

Hey, all I'm saying is to consider more than extreme snow, but certian brain-washers don't let it - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 23:04:30 (162 views)

all-season tires are NEVER "best" - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 08:23:17 (148 views)

Right, summers are best for the 1ft of snow outside & snows are best @100 on dry hwy up the road - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:58:20 (127 views)

Oh, you run your summer tires in winter and your winter tires in summer? Sounds about right. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:21:57 (130 views)

Bzzt again. Correct answer = all seasons are best. Next contestant. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:24:31 (124 views)

lol. I love it when your true colors show through. - jprice 2007-12-09 22:05:23 (124 views)

FYI the 195/65/15 tires I ran were H rated, 130 MPH. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:20:04 (110 views)

so if i did that i wouldn't be a pussy then? right? - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 11:55:01 (126 views)

when it comes down to between 195 & 205 its personal preference as much as it is climate based - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 23:19:42 (160 views)

What you replied with is incorrect information, that's the problem. - jprice 2007-12-08 23:08:47 (142 views)

No, it's all correct. The problem is that you have only one single "fact" that you pass as knowledge - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 23:27:47 (143 views)

Here's my current winter setup. - jprice 2007-12-08 23:45:25 (213 views)

You just spent 2 hours saying 195s are the "best" and now you're telling me you run 205s? Ok. lol. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:05:13 (133 views)

195 is better in snow than 205. I run 205 because you can't go narrower on 16" wheel. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:17:01 (124 views)

Right, can't go out in winter conditions w/o upgraded brakes,lol.According to your logic, oem's best - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:27:58 (116 views)

According to your logic... - jprice 2007-12-09 21:59:15 (119 views)

Maybe you should read the thread again. - jprice 2007-12-08 23:29:33 (138 views)

. - MNblackS4 2007-12-08 22:41:29 (187 views)

People who run winter tires all winter are pussies and are dumb? Are you drunk? - jprice 2007-12-08 22:35:31 (152 views)

The only reason to be on dry pavement with 11/32nds of soft snow tread=girlie arms. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:54:14 (147 views)

what about winter tread compound keeping tires softer in cold temps? brake much? - tôrque_addict 2007-12-09 08:18:07 (138 views)

Now I need snow tread to brake on dry road?That's hysterical.I'm such a spaz I can't stop on dry.lol - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 08:19:25 (86 views)

i think you guys should take this somewhere else... you both have made your point over and over - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 21:49:12 (163 views)

I'm sorry.. I've been trying to keep a straight face reading your replies, but I had to LOL at that. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:37:58 (150 views)

195/65-15 - stock (dealer) winter tires in Europe for A4 B5 - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 09:04:36 (441 views)

Even if, so what? I seriously doubt anyone w/a brain would use them on V6, I used monster 205/65-15 - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 09:12:43 (192 views)

Just saying, I'm using 225/45-17 year round - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 09:21:01 (187 views)

Exactly, starting w/ a size that supports the car correctly's a good premise.205/60-15 is borderline - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 09:23:42 (177 views)

Narrow tire = better traction in snow. - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 07:57:51 (191 views)

This is a general statement that happens to be 100% true. No need to elaborate. - MonkeyLover 2007-12-08 09:59:09 (184 views)

...but who really drives on"100%"snow?My road conditions change greatly as I drive country ~>city - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 10:40:35 (181 views)

It depends on where you live. You're not at 6k ASL where you get 400" + a year are you?..... - bassed 2007-12-09 10:29:39 (127 views)

Doesn't matter. I assume they have rough roads as well as plows, so it depends on more than that. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 20:10:51 (108 views)

LOL all snows don't handle the some 300 variations of snow types the same.... - bassed 2007-12-10 19:54:51 (70 views)

It's only for a few months. I don't see the big deal. - MonkeyLover 2007-12-08 10:56:06 (175 views)

I drive almost 3000 miles a month.The point is that people focus too much on one parameter,"best___" - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:00:07 (178 views)

Remember, it was said narrower provides more traction in the snow. No one said best. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:39:53 (181 views)

"on" snow or "in" snow? To me, snow driving mostly means wet slush where wider rubber is better. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:55:50 (160 views)

Completely wrong. Narrower is better in slush as well. - jprice 2007-12-08 19:09:24 (163 views)

2nd wet slush should be treated just like 3-6" of heavy uplowed snow. - bassed 2007-12-09 10:34:23 (125 views)

To me, slush is clear & you can see black pavement, wet road w/material on the side, not 6" snow - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 19:34:40 (113 views)

Sounds like you've never ventured west of the Mississippi much in winter to me. - bassed 2007-12-10 20:03:01 (80 views)

Doesn't matter. 10mm less width is not going to save your ass in 8ft of snow, it's folly to think so - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 21:36:28 (68 views)

Oh, your exaggeration theory again. By the way, it's 40mm. - jprice 2007-12-10 22:01:41 (75 views)

His conditions would indicate a 4X4 truck prefered, but hey, Audi+teeny tires=w00t! Not too warped? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-12 09:40:36 (55 views)

NAH Quattro - bassed 2007-12-13 18:02:36 (37 views)

Very convenient that you have your own definitions for things that don't match the correct ones. - jprice 2007-12-09 21:57:12 (107 views)

I said "wet slush" not "slush". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 22:50:27 (95 views)

Narrower is better on anything with "slush" in the description, ok? - jprice 2007-12-09 22:55:35 (105 views)

Considering slush presents zero challenge, even on all-seasons, I'll keep that in mind. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 14:51:16 (84 views)

0 challenge in slush? You're kidding right? You can hydroplane, have ice shards in there.... - bassed 2007-12-10 20:05:43 (75 views)

nvm when half the car is in slush and the other half is on ice... prescription of the spin doctor - ScratchRob13 2007-12-10 20:14:57 (71 views)

Depends I've had what I descirbed with slush in Cali, ice and snow in Iowa, snow and hard pack... - bassed 2007-12-10 20:27:03 (70 views)

im saying i've watching hydroplaning on one side of the car with severe traction loss onthe other... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-10 20:38:06 (72 views)

Ewww add asshats driving inebriated and you've got disater(:... - bassed 2007-12-10 20:55:46 (71 views)

i'll work on it the beginning of next week in big sky, MT... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-10 21:12:27 (75 views)

Zero challenge, perhaps, but HUGE hydroplaning potential, unless you like driving at 15 mph all day. - Kris Hansen 2007-12-10 16:06:47 (80 views)

It depends on the speed you're going. - jprice 2007-12-10 14:56:18 (78 views)

maybe yes or no, but definately less traction more heat and wear on hwy. It snows on/off 20x a year - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 09:21:05 (201 views)

so maybe you don't need as aggressive as a snow tire... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-08 21:44:15 (157 views)

More heat and wear on the highway.. huh.. have some data to back that up? - jprice 2007-12-08 13:11:12 (195 views)

Slap some 175/80-14 snows on and hit the warm pavement at 100. Then give me a call for a ride home. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:05:38 (183 views)

LOL! Who said anything about 175s? - jprice 2007-12-08 17:38:47 (181 views)

It doesn't take a genius to "test by exaggeration". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 19:02:36 (169 views)

Uh.. Ok, genius. LOL! So are you saying that 335 width tires are better? - jprice 2007-12-08 19:08:57 (167 views)

No, because different forces come into play.I can say a bigger tire w/greater load carries it better - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 20:49:50 (163 views)

You can and do say whatever you want. That doesn't mean it's accurate. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:52:56 (163 views)

Is it accurate to say a Load Index of 91 or 93 is better than the lame 89 on 195/65s. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:02:56 (173 views)

You don't understand load ratings. It's not tied to size. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:08:44 (174 views)

Oh, but it is. A clear progression is shown by this Dunlop chart with 195/65-15 as the lowest. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 21:22:41 (153 views)

1) Your link didn't work 2) You're looking at ONE model of tire. So of course it appears that way. - jprice 2007-12-08 21:25:18 (167 views)

Umm, to compare Load vs Size, yeah one single model. (rolls eyes) What is your background in? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:23:59 (142 views)

Fact: 195/65/15 Nokain WRG2 has higher load index than your crappy 205 width all seasons. - jprice 2007-12-09 17:23:38 (378 views)

and their 205 is higher, indicating bigger tire carries more weight. Trouble with the basics? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 20:15:26 (119 views)

Actually their 205 is lower. Also pretty much every 195 vs 205 winter tire has same load index. - jprice 2007-12-13 12:49:35 (58 views)

So close in size they fall into the same category, so what?How about larger 15", like 215 w/95 Load? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 14:03:30 (45 views)

Sure, throw some more variables in why don't you. 195 vs 205. You're DONE. - jprice 2007-12-13 14:18:47 (47 views)

Your 'exception' serves only to~prove~The Rule. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 14:23:04 (43 views)

What exception? All the winter tires on Tirerack? Can you read? - jprice 2007-12-13 14:36:24 (43 views)

Duh, 195 being the exception as larger=>load. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 17:04:59 (41 views)

Also.. lol @ larger - jprice 2007-12-13 19:01:47 (44 views)

Great.. That's the size this thread is about, and that's the size you said was lower load index. - jprice 2007-12-13 18:52:23 (50 views)

Still don't get it that bigger rides & loads better?That's sad, but funny like when a clown dies - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 19:59:23 (39 views)

There you go with the technical terms again.. "rides" "loads" LOL.. No, you don't get it. - jprice 2007-12-13 21:17:19 (51 views)

Why don't you start a poll on the tire forum about bigger or smaller tires riding better? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 21:51:44 (37 views)

Uh.. bigger and smaller in which dimensions? - jprice 2007-12-13 21:57:57 (49 views)

Volume. Are you reay to answer now? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-13 22:05:55 (32 views)

You realize that's not enough data, right? - jprice 2007-12-13 22:12:11 (43 views)

Your notion that you could simply add air to increase volume is laughable.It's not a balloon, clown! - Audi Junkie 2007-12-14 15:22:32 (32 views)

The fact is narrower tire are better in the snow. It's proven again and again. - jprice 2007-12-08 13:02:29 (191 views)

I've said again and again,"best" means BEST over obstacles, BEST wear, BEST when road dries out, etc - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 16:10:30 (186 views)

Narrow tires = better in snow. He didn't use the term best. - jprice 2007-12-08 17:37:51 (176 views)

Not true, even if- that's the myopic mindset you share, that's everything needs to be the "best". - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 18:14:06 (186 views)

Still, you're the one that said best. Would you argue the fact that narrower is better in snow? - jprice 2007-12-08 19:08:41 (172 views)

Maybe, marginally.I'll say again, bigger than MINIMUM size is better in*winter*where conditions vary - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:37:52 (136 views)

No doubt about that, my 205/60-16's Hakka 2's were way better than my 225/45-17 Hakka 2's. - M.S.G. 2007-12-08 20:06:01 (171 views)

205/60-16...that's 1/2 size over stock, right? Good move. More than adequate to support the car. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 20:18:14 (123 views)

Especially that slushy stuff on the highway. - 4Driver4 2007-12-08 08:34:55 (184 views)

Guess I got lucky then with the very slightly used set I picked up yesterday.......... - 4corners 2007-12-08 08:32:12 (197 views)

Wahoo! - Mica 2007-12-08 08:00:09 (228 views)

Article - quattro_blue 2007-12-08 08:05:02 (212 views)

Who says you need to dig into pavement to gain traction?My A4 plowed snow w/2" compacted under tires - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 08:40:06 (187 views)

Only tire scientists/engineers. But what do they know, you're the expert. - jprice 2007-12-08 20:19:14 (167 views)

I disagree here. Snows actually have better traction in certain conditions not contacting with.... - bassed 2007-12-09 10:39:21 (138 views)

i have found situations, where i rather run on fresh snow instead of plowed or compacted snow... - ScratchRob13 2007-12-09 10:44:27 (125 views)

lol, btw- :Motor Trend: is ~hardly~ "Engineers and Scientists". AWers as virtual idiots thinking so? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 09:21:20 (140 views)

I don't need an expert like you or a scientist/engineer to see my car move ok w/snow under the tires - Audi Junkie 2007-12-08 22:03:41 (152 views)

Oh yeah, do you run all seasons all year on the A4? - jprice 2007-12-08 22:08:10 (149 views)

Tell me, my drive's 1mi in 1ft of snow, 5mi on plowed & 100mi on dry hwy.Summer or winter tires? - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 22:53:44 (104 views)

I'm fine if you choose to run all seasons. Honestly that doesn't bother me. - jprice 2007-12-09 23:00:30 (113 views)

Reliance on only the two seems to skew driver's perceptions. Many people don't need snows, but - Audi Junkie 2007-12-09 23:30:52 (99 views)

I agree on the contiextremecontacts. I have recommended them to many people who want all seasons. - jprice 2007-12-09 23:44:40 (105 views)

I had them on 2 weeks after they came out, just like every other new decent all-season tire. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-10 15:59:06 (80 views)

I didn't think the question was whether or not your car moved, was it? - jprice 2007-12-08 22:07:09 (149 views)

Jordan, you're having a mental duel... - Hoof Hearted 2007-12-11 21:57:13 (82 views)

I'll be ok, because if I drive fast enough, my momentum creates extra gravitational waves for grip. - Audi Junkie 2007-12-11 23:20:18 (62 views)

What luck. - Mica 2007-12-08 08:06:43 (197 views)

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