Bad A4 experience, what did you replace it with
05-19-2013, 03:11 AM
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Musk does not need dealers because he moves so few units. Everyone ignores, and Musk papers over, that you are just moving the tail pipe from the vehicle to the power station.
The technology to do so is expensive and dangerous (ask Boeing about lithium batteries) and the range stinks. The charging time is excessive, and plans to exchange batteries make no sense from an economic stand point unless all users rent the battery.
Driving from LA to Frisco in a Model S requires more planning than anyone should endure. The car is nice, has plenty of zip, but you can feel you are nursing a heavy vehicle.
Hanging around the charging station for a couple of hours is not really fun, like waiting in Chicago for a connection to Hong Kong. Just eats up your time.
The technology to do so is expensive and dangerous (ask Boeing about lithium batteries) and the range stinks. The charging time is excessive, and plans to exchange batteries make no sense from an economic stand point unless all users rent the battery.
Driving from LA to Frisco in a Model S requires more planning than anyone should endure. The car is nice, has plenty of zip, but you can feel you are nursing a heavy vehicle.
Hanging around the charging station for a couple of hours is not really fun, like waiting in Chicago for a connection to Hong Kong. Just eats up your time.
If the swapping batteries are available in every Shell gas stations and Tesla's own charging network, then Tesla will be like a hybrid and not worry about the range.
Li-ion batteries are every where, like your laptop computer has one, and in lots of hand held instruments. They are safe as gas tank at least. The latest news is Toyota will expand into Li-ion batteris and soon has JV plant to produce 200,000/yr these batteries for its cars, may be Prius or new name.
05-19-2013, 04:38 AM
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Musk has been talking about Tesla battery swaps since 2009 and nothing has been formerly announced yet for the S or the planned X. The infrastructure investment and complexity would be huge and with the so-far limited production size, I'm guessing it would be difficult to see a return on investment for many, many years. As it is, they are still a long way off on their goal of 100+ supercharging stations - just nine so far with only two in the northeast. I would think that would have to take priority before battery swapping stations.
05-19-2013, 07:51 AM
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Musk has been talking about Tesla battery swaps since 2009 and nothing has been formerly announced yet for the S or the planned X. The infrastructure investment and complexity would be huge and with the so-far limited production size, I'm guessing it would be difficult to see a return on investment for many, many years. As it is, they are still a long way off on their goal of 100+ supercharging stations - just nine so far with only two in the northeast. I would think that would have to take priority before battery swapping stations.
Edmunds says: In just a few years, EV charging stations may be as ubiquitous as gas stations.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/cure...-stations.html
More news, Tesla will pay off govt loan and owe taxpayers nothing...
the company raised over $1 billion last week, and will use a portion of those proceeds to pay off its loan with the Department of Energy ahead of schedule. This will make Tesla the only US-based auto maker with no government debt.
How about Ford, I asked? I thought they skipped the government bailout a few years ago. True enough, but Ford owes DOE under the Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturer (“ATVM”) Incentive Program, the same program that gave rise to the debt Tesla is about to pay off. So Tesla will be unique in not owing anything to the taxpayers.
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05-20-2013, 05:32 PM
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I came out of a 2008 CTS when I bought my 2011 A4
While I wouldnt exactly call it a piece of ****......OK, on second thought that's EXACTLY what I would call it. It was flat-bedded to the dealership FOUR times for electrical malfunctions among other things. And the horrendous seats were as uncomfortable as anything I ever sat on.
So they can shove the ATS in the same place they did the CTS
And I love my A4!!
While I wouldnt exactly call it a piece of ****......OK, on second thought that's EXACTLY what I would call it. It was flat-bedded to the dealership FOUR times for electrical malfunctions among other things. And the horrendous seats were as uncomfortable as anything I ever sat on.
So they can shove the ATS in the same place they did the CTS
And I love my A4!!
05-20-2013, 06:09 PM
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05-20-2013, 09:32 PM
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I'd put this on a bumper sticker and drive around with it, if I wasn't so against stickers on my car.
The Koreans make VCR's not cars. If I need to eject a DVD, I'll call Hyundai. If I'd like to survive an accident, and drive a real automobile... I am going to call the Germans.
The Koreans make VCR's not cars. If I need to eject a DVD, I'll call Hyundai. If I'd like to survive an accident, and drive a real automobile... I am going to call the Germans.
Bad idea, VCR's are made in China, and my Hyundai was made in the USA!
05-21-2013, 02:59 AM
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05-21-2013, 03:54 AM
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The OP's question was not what you had before your A4 but what you purchased after your A4 (admittedly a query potentially smelling of bait). Only three posts responded correctly to his question and the other 26 posts (thus far) devolved into irrelevant responses and various personal attacks. I'm nominating this thread for the AW "Least Informative Thread of the Year" award. I apologize for contributing to this silliness.
05-21-2013, 06:15 AM
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05-21-2013, 11:10 AM
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Anyone who comes on an A4 board to actually brag about buying a Hyundai, deserves to have his head examined,his thread derailed, and probably a few worse things.