Got Bored Today, So I decided to Install the Snub on my 3.0L
04-12-2005, 12:16 PM
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Sorry, I didn't answer this sooner, didn't really see the question...
The Turquoise globes are a resevoir to hold vacuum for engine compenents and accessories...
Similar to a tank of air in reverse, waiting for use.
Similar to a tank of air in reverse, waiting for use.
04-17-2012, 04:04 AM
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Hi i'm new here on this forum. This is the BEST write-up i've found but the pictures are missing!! Can someone do something about it? my engine is moving too much, vibrates at idle and harsh on shifting. I want to replace the snub mount but it seems too complicated without pictures.
Why did Audi made 3.0 this way....so complicated, should've done the same thing like 1.8 that you can just unscrew-replaced-screw back.
I have 2004 A4 convertible 3.0
Why did Audi made 3.0 this way....so complicated, should've done the same thing like 1.8 that you can just unscrew-replaced-screw back.
I have 2004 A4 convertible 3.0
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Hello, I know your post is dated but I was curious how on earth were u able to get that snub off your vehicle? I have 2006 A4 Quattro 3.0 v^ automatic and I used your DIY steps but when I got to the snub there wasn't enough clearance between the snub and the bracket to remove even the snub end (mines attached just below the crank pulley). Boy I tried every angle with no success so if there was a step I missed please let me know.
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I know I was scheduling the install for this mod on my 1st Driveway/Garage GTG...But I couldn't wait...
Probably better this way in that when I have my Driveway/Garage GTG (Still gonna happen like 3rd or 4th Weekend of April),
I can better be prepared to help others
Well anyways, first of all many thanks to LunarDDS for the assistance on the phone and the link tips...Greatly Appreciated by me.
<big><b><u><i>APR</i> SNUB MOUNT INSTALL for B6/3.0L</u></b></big>
(Stock vs. <i>APR</i>)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874862ot1lsi">
<u>Links</u>:
Here is the FMIC Guide from Eurocode Tuning. >>> <a href="http://www.ecodetuning.com/fmic.pdf">Bumper Removal Reference</a>
Where I got the <i>APR</i> Snub. >>> <a href="http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/pagebuild_v2.cgi?make=Audi&engine=V6%2030v&model=B 6%20A4&submodel=Quattro&category=Drivetrain&subcat egory=Mounts">ECStuning</a>
<u>Discussion</u>:
The stock engine snub mount is somewhat soft in comparison to the new <i>APR</i>.
Shown here is how pliable and soft the stock snub is...
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp54%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874869ot1lsi">
How does that translate to the ride, feel and drivability of the car?
According to <i>ECS & APR</i>:
<small>"<i>APR's</i> Snub Mount Upgrade replaces the front engine mount on the car. This mount enhances upshifting
and downshifting, reduces driveline shock, and helps power transfer by taking up excess drivetrain slack."</small>
Before the new snub install, I was experiencing much slop in how my shifting was feeling
and really a "not very positive" engangement of power, if I were to say.
This observation was very clear once I was able to drive in Clean's B6...His shifting was
very positive and not sloppy...Very Firm in engagement of power in the driveline.
<u>Results</u>:
After the install, I took it for a spirited test run, and the result was very very noticable...
NO MORE SLOP and very positive. <i>ECS & APR</i> were right in stating the above...BRAVO !!!
<b><i><a href="https://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/796295.phtml">More Feedback & Driving Impressions</a></i></b>
<u>Headlight Assembly & Bumper Removal Tools</u>:
Flat Head Screwdriver
3/8" Extension
Torx Wrench Drivers, Switchblade
7mm Allen Wrench
3/8" & 1/4" Ratchet Wrenches
30s Torx Sockets
10mm Socket
13mm Socket (not shown)
45s Torx Socket (not shown)
8mm Allen Wrench (not shown)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp4%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D3232896779337nu0mrj">
<u>Install</u>:
0. Install Time = 2.5 hours
1. Block rear tires
2. Place entire front of vehicle on jack stands.
3. Lay out carpet or thick blanket to ease install and make oneself more comfortable.
4. Part 1 to remove underbelly pan.
Remove screws, (5)-Metal and (3)-plastic.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B78ot1lsi">
5. Part 2 to remove underbelly pan.
Remove screws in front wheel wells that secure right & left flanks of the
underbelly pan. (4)-Plastic.
Here is 1 of 2 plastic screws in wheel well.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B58ot1lsi">
6. Remove Left & Right Light Assemblies.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B84ot1lsi">
7. Remove Left & Right Fog Grilles.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/3423975523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A%3 DXROQDF%3E232368%3B535767ot1lsi">
8. Part 1 to remove bumper.
Remove (3)-10mm nuts on the inside of each fender, underneath the
headlights that secure the bumper. Shown here on the right fender
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B9%3Aot1lsi">
(6)-10mm Nuts, total
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B%3A9ot1lsi">
9. Part 2 to remove bumper.
Remove torx screw behind each wheel well liner adjacent to fender lip and front lowers.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B%3C2ot1lsi">
10. Part 3 to remove bumper.
Carefully and gently pry lower away from fender.
Both left and right lower requires seperation.
Carefully work it till it begins to seperate.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp4%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D3232896778%3C%3B8nu0mrj">
11. Part 4 to remove bumper.
Using a 7mm Allen Wrench, loosen (but do not completely remove) each
bolt on the right and left side. Bolts are located inside Fog Grille Opening here:
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B%3B8ot1lsi">
12. Part 5 to remove bumper.
Carefully guide entire bumper assembly away from the raw front end of the car.
13. Set bumper on blanket immediately in front of car.
14. Remove quick connect light harnesses. (2)-Total.
15. Clamp shut/off the bumper squirter hose to prevent draining while working.
Place bucket benneth hose to catch residual drips.
16. Remove bumper squirter hose at the quick connect.
17. Place belly pan, bumper assembly, light assembly, fog grilles and all the nuts,
bolts and tools for bumper removal aside in a safe place, out of the way.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A235ot1lsi">
<center><u>Bumper Removed and Ready for Snub Removal/Install</u>
(Side Note: Wifey comes out to garage and says "WTF...Are you sure you know what yer doing?" HA !!! I said.)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A259ot1lsi"><img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp54%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A266ot1lsi"></center>
18. Loosen till almost removed (DO NOT REMOVE) top torx 45s bolts on both right and left bumper support brackets.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D323289677936%3Cnu0mrj">
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A292ot1lsi">
19. Remove bottom (2)-torx 45 bolts on both right and left bumper support brackets.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A58748%3A2ot1lsi">
20. Remove fender/front torx 30s screw from left and right sides.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A286ot1lsi">
21. Firmly seperate lower front end from framwork.
Top of front is still attached...And that's okay for this snub install.
Lower front should move 2"-5" away from frame to facilitate snub removal/install.
22. Get underneath front of car and locate snub mount, snub "Cup" and snub mount bracket.
Notice that I've marked the lower right hand corner of the snub cup.
I did this to help me not forget the exact orientation of the snub cup.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A296ot1lsi">
23. While on back, use knees to aid in moving front outward to create space for rachet/socket.
24. Remove front snub cup bolts. (4)-13mm
25. Remove engine snub mount bracket bolts. (3)-8mm Allen Bolts.
26. Pull entire snub assembly out.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D3232896783968nu0mrj">
27. Before pulling off Stock Snub, study orientation of snub.
Installation of new snub MUST be oriented identical to stock snub.
Also note the there is a back and front side to the snubs...
Follow that orientation also.
28. Remove stock snub w/screwdriver.
29. Press new snub on.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874882ot1lsi">
30. Re-Assemble of entire project in Reverse Order.
31. Use Thread Lock on all critical bolts.
(Snub Mount Bracket Bolts & Bumper Bracket Bolts)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A587488%3Aot1lsi">
None needed for Bumper...
Bumper has locking top plate.
ALMOST HOME
32. Do NOT final tighten front snub mount bracket till engine is warm. Reassemble all except under belly pan.
33. When engine is warm, adjust snub "cup" so that equal space all around between snub and snub cup.
Tighten all bolts.
34. Reinstall under belly pan.
35. <b><big>FINISHED !!!</big></b>
<center><b><big><u>BEFORE & AFTER</u></big></b>
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A296ot1lsi"><img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874893ot1lsi"></center>
Sorry for some blurry pics.
Whatcha guys think !!!
Hard work but worth every dime, IMHO.
Probably better this way in that when I have my Driveway/Garage GTG (Still gonna happen like 3rd or 4th Weekend of April),
I can better be prepared to help others
Well anyways, first of all many thanks to LunarDDS for the assistance on the phone and the link tips...Greatly Appreciated by me.
<big><b><u><i>APR</i> SNUB MOUNT INSTALL for B6/3.0L</u></b></big>
(Stock vs. <i>APR</i>)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874862ot1lsi">
<u>Links</u>:
Here is the FMIC Guide from Eurocode Tuning. >>> <a href="http://www.ecodetuning.com/fmic.pdf">Bumper Removal Reference</a>
Where I got the <i>APR</i> Snub. >>> <a href="http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/pagebuild_v2.cgi?make=Audi&engine=V6%2030v&model=B 6%20A4&submodel=Quattro&category=Drivetrain&subcat egory=Mounts">ECStuning</a>
<u>Discussion</u>:
The stock engine snub mount is somewhat soft in comparison to the new <i>APR</i>.
Shown here is how pliable and soft the stock snub is...
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp54%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874869ot1lsi">
How does that translate to the ride, feel and drivability of the car?
According to <i>ECS & APR</i>:
<small>"<i>APR's</i> Snub Mount Upgrade replaces the front engine mount on the car. This mount enhances upshifting
and downshifting, reduces driveline shock, and helps power transfer by taking up excess drivetrain slack."</small>
Before the new snub install, I was experiencing much slop in how my shifting was feeling
and really a "not very positive" engangement of power, if I were to say.
This observation was very clear once I was able to drive in Clean's B6...His shifting was
very positive and not sloppy...Very Firm in engagement of power in the driveline.
<u>Results</u>:
After the install, I took it for a spirited test run, and the result was very very noticable...
NO MORE SLOP and very positive. <i>ECS & APR</i> were right in stating the above...BRAVO !!!
<b><i><a href="https://forums.audiworld.com/a4gen2/msgs/796295.phtml">More Feedback & Driving Impressions</a></i></b>
<u>Headlight Assembly & Bumper Removal Tools</u>:
Flat Head Screwdriver
3/8" Extension
Torx Wrench Drivers, Switchblade
7mm Allen Wrench
3/8" & 1/4" Ratchet Wrenches
30s Torx Sockets
10mm Socket
13mm Socket (not shown)
45s Torx Socket (not shown)
8mm Allen Wrench (not shown)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp4%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D3232896779337nu0mrj">
<u>Install</u>:
0. Install Time = 2.5 hours
1. Block rear tires
2. Place entire front of vehicle on jack stands.
3. Lay out carpet or thick blanket to ease install and make oneself more comfortable.
4. Part 1 to remove underbelly pan.
Remove screws, (5)-Metal and (3)-plastic.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B78ot1lsi">
5. Part 2 to remove underbelly pan.
Remove screws in front wheel wells that secure right & left flanks of the
underbelly pan. (4)-Plastic.
Here is 1 of 2 plastic screws in wheel well.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B58ot1lsi">
6. Remove Left & Right Light Assemblies.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B84ot1lsi">
7. Remove Left & Right Fog Grilles.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/3423975523232%7Ffp63%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A%3 DXROQDF%3E232368%3B535767ot1lsi">
8. Part 1 to remove bumper.
Remove (3)-10mm nuts on the inside of each fender, underneath the
headlights that secure the bumper. Shown here on the right fender
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B9%3Aot1lsi">
(6)-10mm Nuts, total
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B%3A9ot1lsi">
9. Part 2 to remove bumper.
Remove torx screw behind each wheel well liner adjacent to fender lip and front lowers.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B%3C2ot1lsi">
10. Part 3 to remove bumper.
Carefully and gently pry lower away from fender.
Both left and right lower requires seperation.
Carefully work it till it begins to seperate.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp4%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D3232896778%3C%3B8nu0mrj">
11. Part 4 to remove bumper.
Using a 7mm Allen Wrench, loosen (but do not completely remove) each
bolt on the right and left side. Bolts are located inside Fog Grille Opening here:
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5866%3B%3B8ot1lsi">
12. Part 5 to remove bumper.
Carefully guide entire bumper assembly away from the raw front end of the car.
13. Set bumper on blanket immediately in front of car.
14. Remove quick connect light harnesses. (2)-Total.
15. Clamp shut/off the bumper squirter hose to prevent draining while working.
Place bucket benneth hose to catch residual drips.
16. Remove bumper squirter hose at the quick connect.
17. Place belly pan, bumper assembly, light assembly, fog grilles and all the nuts,
bolts and tools for bumper removal aside in a safe place, out of the way.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A235ot1lsi">
<center><u>Bumper Removed and Ready for Snub Removal/Install</u>
(Side Note: Wifey comes out to garage and says "WTF...Are you sure you know what yer doing?" HA !!! I said.)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp58%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A259ot1lsi"><img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp54%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A266ot1lsi"></center>
18. Loosen till almost removed (DO NOT REMOVE) top torx 45s bolts on both right and left bumper support brackets.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D323289677936%3Cnu0mrj">
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp3%3B%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54% 3A%3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A292ot1lsi">
19. Remove bottom (2)-torx 45 bolts on both right and left bumper support brackets.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp45%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A58748%3A2ot1lsi">
20. Remove fender/front torx 30s screw from left and right sides.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp46%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A286ot1lsi">
21. Firmly seperate lower front end from framwork.
Top of front is still attached...And that's okay for this snub install.
Lower front should move 2"-5" away from frame to facilitate snub removal/install.
22. Get underneath front of car and locate snub mount, snub "Cup" and snub mount bracket.
Notice that I've marked the lower right hand corner of the snub cup.
I did this to help me not forget the exact orientation of the snub cup.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A296ot1lsi">
23. While on back, use knees to aid in moving front outward to create space for rachet/socket.
24. Remove front snub cup bolts. (4)-13mm
25. Remove engine snub mount bracket bolts. (3)-8mm Allen Bolts.
26. Pull entire snub assembly out.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp7%3Enu%3D323%3B%3E558%3E459%3E WSNRCG%3D3232896783968nu0mrj">
27. Before pulling off Stock Snub, study orientation of snub.
Installation of new snub MUST be oriented identical to stock snub.
Also note the there is a back and front side to the snubs...
Follow that orientation also.
28. Remove stock snub w/screwdriver.
29. Press new snub on.
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874882ot1lsi">
30. Re-Assemble of entire project in Reverse Order.
31. Use Thread Lock on all critical bolts.
(Snub Mount Bracket Bolts & Bumper Bracket Bolts)
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A587488%3Aot1lsi">
None needed for Bumper...
Bumper has locking top plate.
ALMOST HOME
32. Do NOT final tighten front snub mount bracket till engine is warm. Reassemble all except under belly pan.
33. When engine is warm, adjust snub "cup" so that equal space all around between snub and snub cup.
Tighten all bolts.
34. Reinstall under belly pan.
35. <b><big>FINISHED !!!</big></b>
<center><b><big><u>BEFORE & AFTER</u></big></b>
<img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A586%3A296ot1lsi"><img src="http://images.snapfish.com/34345%3A2723232%7Ffp47%3Dot%3E232%3C%3D649%3D54%3A %3DXROQDF%3E23237%3A5874893ot1lsi"></center>
Sorry for some blurry pics.
Whatcha guys think !!!
Hard work but worth every dime, IMHO.
07-08-2014, 05:39 AM
#59
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If you are just doing the snub, you have to remove the bumper (step 8) and unbolt / loosen the front clip enough to get enough space to replace the snub (starting step 18). I am with the OP that you don't have to completely remove the front clip to replace the snub. See the video below...
07-14-2014, 04:17 PM
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If you are just doing the snub, you have to remove the bumper (step 8) and unbolt / loosen the front clip enough to get enough space to replace the snub (starting step 18). I am with the OP that you don't have to completely remove the front clip to replace the snub. See the video below...
2003 Audi A4 Timing Belt - YouTube
2003 Audi A4 Timing Belt - YouTube
I appreciate the reply but I was able to figure it out after one last pass on your docs which I should have taken more slowly. You mentioned moving the lower end of the radiator forward with your knees so I took another stab at it and I was able to do it. Instead of using my hands or knees I simply used my jack and it was very simple. Thanks again as the video does provide some other useful info I am sure I can use when it comes time to replace the timing belt.
Cheers!!