So....
04-10-2006, 03:28 PM
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So....
How can a person tell which specific make these are-
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04-10-2006, 03:48 PM
#2
After further thought I've wondered that too. I think the best way to be sure is to call and ask...
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/boge.jpg"></center><p>
them for the Audi part#. If its the correct part it will have an Audi part number embossed in the rubber mount body and that number will be:
8A0 412 355A
When calling WorldImpex ask for Joey. He's a good man, very helpful and I spoke with him today tho I didnt mention strut mounts. At some point I'd like to approach him on a special price for "Mount-Saver" applications that could get people perhaps "some" discount on the Boge mount. But please allow me to handle it as I plan on helping it along by purchasing 50-100 Boge strut mounts up-front. But this wont happen til early May after I get some other things sorted out and I have to keep the cart behind the horse til then. And no promises in that regard but I doubt he has many purchasers lined up to buy 100 at a time of these.
them for the Audi part#. If its the correct part it will have an Audi part number embossed in the rubber mount body and that number will be:
8A0 412 355A
When calling WorldImpex ask for Joey. He's a good man, very helpful and I spoke with him today tho I didnt mention strut mounts. At some point I'd like to approach him on a special price for "Mount-Saver" applications that could get people perhaps "some" discount on the Boge mount. But please allow me to handle it as I plan on helping it along by purchasing 50-100 Boge strut mounts up-front. But this wont happen til early May after I get some other things sorted out and I have to keep the cart behind the horse til then. And no promises in that regard but I doubt he has many purchasers lined up to buy 100 at a time of these.
04-10-2006, 04:24 PM
#4
What makes it even funnier is this pair came from Prestige Porsche/Audi....
another pair I have came from WorldPac and guess what; yep, same Audi part number. I specifically bought one pair from the dealer and one pair from aftermarket/OEM supplier to insure the part numbers were the same. Never counted on both selling me "invalid" yet altogether real/identical parts. Doncha jus love ETKA in all its glory!?! ;-)
Small wonder Audi cant get the parts right when they cant even get the part numbers right!
Small wonder Audi cant get the parts right when they cant even get the part numbers right!
04-10-2006, 06:59 PM
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Oh yes! Mine came from Prestige also...so...will your OE strut mount reinforcements help...
...B3s or 4000s? Or are they not really needed on the lighter cars?
04-11-2006, 06:47 AM
#6
Bad/faulty OEM strut mounts are not now nor have they ever been "car-specific"...
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/measure_1.jpg"></center><p>
more aptly they are mount-specific and "all" cars using stock mounts have exceedingly high mount failure rates. The biggest problem is people not knowing they're driving on collapsed mounts and continuing to do so not for only weeks, months or years but DECADES!!! You'd be gape-jawed at the pics people are sending me of the mounts they're removing. Even the rears that have an incredibly easy job, relative to the front mounts due to dramatically reduced weight and no turning are trashed, collapsed and separated beyond recognition!
Pic is of an "average condition" front mount from either a CQ or 90 20V. Mount has been replaced at least once and maybe more as its not the original strut mount. Yet like almost every year-old front mount out there, completely collapsed!
Car and weight is not the issue here. A poorly designed/under-engineered strut mount is the "only" common denominator and constantly recurring theme.
more aptly they are mount-specific and "all" cars using stock mounts have exceedingly high mount failure rates. The biggest problem is people not knowing they're driving on collapsed mounts and continuing to do so not for only weeks, months or years but DECADES!!! You'd be gape-jawed at the pics people are sending me of the mounts they're removing. Even the rears that have an incredibly easy job, relative to the front mounts due to dramatically reduced weight and no turning are trashed, collapsed and separated beyond recognition!
Pic is of an "average condition" front mount from either a CQ or 90 20V. Mount has been replaced at least once and maybe more as its not the original strut mount. Yet like almost every year-old front mount out there, completely collapsed!
Car and weight is not the issue here. A poorly designed/under-engineered strut mount is the "only" common denominator and constantly recurring theme.
04-11-2006, 07:13 AM
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Pic 2; Average condition rear strut mounts...
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/rears_top.jpg"></center><p>
These are original "rear" mounts from a CQ or B3 20V and have NEVER been changed!
Altogether common and usual condition for original or 2 year old rear mounts, ie; completely collapsed!
These are original "rear" mounts from a CQ or B3 20V and have NEVER been changed!
Altogether common and usual condition for original or 2 year old rear mounts, ie; completely collapsed!
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04-11-2006, 07:18 AM
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Pic 3: New strut mount
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/mountdepth1.jpg"></center><p>
Compare the depth between center & outer halves between this new mount and the "used" mounts above. And note this is from the "middle-weight" chassis car these are used in... not the heaviest and not the lightest.
This is what an OEM strut mount with Mount-Savers installed "should" ideally look like 5, 10, 20 or more years down the road as it relates to mount depth. They simply CANNOT collapse with the inserts installed!
Compare the depth between center & outer halves between this new mount and the "used" mounts above. And note this is from the "middle-weight" chassis car these are used in... not the heaviest and not the lightest.
This is what an OEM strut mount with Mount-Savers installed "should" ideally look like 5, 10, 20 or more years down the road as it relates to mount depth. They simply CANNOT collapse with the inserts installed!
04-11-2006, 07:47 AM
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Pic 4; with Mount-Saver installed
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/mntspacer1.jpg"></center><p>
In this pic you can see how and why the OEM strut mount cannot collapse with a Mount-Saver installed. The black urethane insert reinforces the mount center half and prevents it from hyper-extending and hitting the strut tower under-side by being sandwiched between the OEM strut mount bottom and the strut tower under-side. Because the insert is urethane it compresses and absorbs shock loads as the center half of the stock mount encounters bumps and tries to move upwards which causes it to weakem fatigue and try to shear or tear itself away from it outer half. Thru elastomer compliance the Mount-Saver dissipates and dampens those shock loads and forces the inner half of the strut mount back down to its original position after each strut compression while simultaneous preventing it from hyper-extending. And because it absorbs the shock it cannot "knock" or "clunk" against the strut tower under-side because its sitting tight against it at all times. It simply "bulges" as it compresses then springs back while pushing the inner haf of the strut mount back down to a safe, non-fatiguing position to do it again at the next bump/pothole. And its capable of doing that hundeds of times per second and for decades without permanently compressing or taking a set!
In this pic you can see how and why the OEM strut mount cannot collapse with a Mount-Saver installed. The black urethane insert reinforces the mount center half and prevents it from hyper-extending and hitting the strut tower under-side by being sandwiched between the OEM strut mount bottom and the strut tower under-side. Because the insert is urethane it compresses and absorbs shock loads as the center half of the stock mount encounters bumps and tries to move upwards which causes it to weakem fatigue and try to shear or tear itself away from it outer half. Thru elastomer compliance the Mount-Saver dissipates and dampens those shock loads and forces the inner half of the strut mount back down to its original position after each strut compression while simultaneous preventing it from hyper-extending. And because it absorbs the shock it cannot "knock" or "clunk" against the strut tower under-side because its sitting tight against it at all times. It simply "bulges" as it compresses then springs back while pushing the inner haf of the strut mount back down to a safe, non-fatiguing position to do it again at the next bump/pothole. And its capable of doing that hundeds of times per second and for decades without permanently compressing or taking a set!
04-11-2006, 08:16 AM
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Pic 5; Fully compressed suspension with Mount-Saver installed...
<center><img src="http://pictureposter.audiworld.com/711/mntinsert7.jpg"></center><p>In this pic I've parked the car on a drive-on ramp and chained a come-along to the sub-frame and pulled the chassis down to about 3/4" past its first contact with its bump-stops.
This pic shows dramatic evidence of the Mount-Savers doing their job. Without the inserts installed the bottom of the OEM strut mount would be all the way up against the strut tower under-side and flat against the strut tower bore. With Moun-Saver installed its barely moved from its "at-rest" position while the Mount-Saver takes all the load and dissipates it thru bulging. The floor of the OEM strut mount hasnt even moved .080" from its relaxed/at-rest position. Without the Mount-Saver installed it would've moved upwards over .500" causing extreme stress to the strut mount. And in real world situations this is a dramatically "light" test as bumps and potholes will stress it 10-20 times more/harder shock loads than this static test done with a simple come-along tied to the sub-frame.
This pic shows dramatic evidence of the Mount-Savers doing their job. Without the inserts installed the bottom of the OEM strut mount would be all the way up against the strut tower under-side and flat against the strut tower bore. With Moun-Saver installed its barely moved from its "at-rest" position while the Mount-Saver takes all the load and dissipates it thru bulging. The floor of the OEM strut mount hasnt even moved .080" from its relaxed/at-rest position. Without the Mount-Saver installed it would've moved upwards over .500" causing extreme stress to the strut mount. And in real world situations this is a dramatically "light" test as bumps and potholes will stress it 10-20 times more/harder shock loads than this static test done with a simple come-along tied to the sub-frame.